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Water-in-Oil 2-Hr Protocol #30
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Is there a way to determine if the vesicles are the intended internal solution? Also if the vesicles are bi-layered or residues of oil. Are you also proposing to change the composition to 1:1 and skip making lipid film, step 0, altogether? |
Is there a way to determine if the vesicles are the intended internal solution?
Also if the vesicles are bi-layered or residues of oil.
Are you also proposing to change the composition to 1:1 and skip making lipid film, step 0, altogether?
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@gregor0607 Can you remind us of the status of the "unit test" for testing whether or not we have functional extract inside of a vesicle? @BuildACell/liposome-curators Note that there is a proposal to change the standard protocol based on experience in implementation. If the curators agree this is something that should be done, it should be discussed (either here or in a new issue) and decided upon. |
@OneScientista Thank you for sharing the florescence images. I can see what you mean but I also wonder if you have used the internal solution check of 2 uM HPTS, 250 uM HEPES. This way the vesicles will also be seen in the GFP channel. Also, was wondering if your outer solutions differ from the posted protocol? I look forward to trying this method and will let you you know what I get. |
@zjuradoq These are all good questions. Below are the composition and concentration of inner and outer solution I've used so far. I will amend my report to include this information. I may try 2 uM HPTS in the inner solution in the future. Did you use HPTS or calcein? Inner solution: Outer solution: |
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@PaolaTorre Hi Paola, please take a look at Build-A-Cell-POPC.pdf (above). There are images of fluorescently-labeled vesicles. Comments? |
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Hi, to reply the initial question:
as mentioned the easiest way is to include a fluorescent marker in the I-solution. Determining the vesicle lamellarity is not straightforward, and needs more work. See the following two articles:
Determining the residual oil (meaning: "traces") solubilized inside the lipid bilayer is also difficult. In one work the C. Sykes group has looked at the membrane mechanical properties, and compare them with those of "pure" membranes. But this cannot be done in a normal preparative lab. If the presence of residual oil hamper the scope of the experiment, a suggestion, already present in the Weitz 2003 papers is to shift from "mineral oil" to squalene, which is almost insoluble in the lipid bilayer. |
@murrayrm @zjuradoq @PaolaTorre @p-stano To address the issue of variability, my intern Theresa Chu and I undertook preparation of vesicles side by side from the same lipid/oil stock (made fresh most days) for three days. We both observed vesicles, but also observed differences. The only part of the protocol that was different was our handling of the emulsification process. This was not intended, just minor differences in how we each handle tubes, how we use the vortex, how long we keep them at room temperature, how much they warm up etc... The next three reports include both Theresa's and my results. Note that we only used POPC for this exercise. Since then, I've used different POPC:cholesterol combinations as well, more reports to come... Here is what we learned: Emulsification process is critical to variability in the number and size of droplets produced. Lipid composition, concentration, temperature, and type and intensity of shear forces make the most impact on the outcomes. What is clear is that the process of emulsification needs to be standardized. We have purchased a vortex head adapter that, if successful, should remove the operator factor from the emulsification process. It also appears that we will need slight variations to this protocol for different lipid compositions. Looking forward to devising a robust vesicle-making protocol, and unleashing it onto the world in the near future!!! Build-A-Cell_082218_Theresa started w Lipids.pdf |
@zjuradoq Hi Zoila, were you able to try the short protocol? |
Hi Milena, the emulsification seems to be indeed a key moment in this preparation method. As you said it depends on chemical factors (type of oil, type and conc. of lipids, type of I-solution, and ratio between these 3 things) and mechanical ones. Your experiments shows that between-operator reproducibility is not so good as expected, but at the same time you have GVs consistently, every time you want. I would take this part of the story as the positive one. The differences between preparations are visible in the size distribution, and maybe the subtler lamellarity. Your idea about standardization of emulsification sounds good. But to extend this to everyone probably the same vortex machine should be used too. One can be happy to have a reproducible, yet wide, size distribution. My comments to images and text in the pdf files:
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@p-stano Thanks Pasquale! Always good suggestions, I'll take a closer look. |
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@zjuradoq That is great news Zoila! Do you use a confocal microscope? How much chloroform did you use? And how long did you evaporate? What was the surface area (what size beaker) and temperature? P.S. I only used 2mM HPTS because our light source was very weak, so I reasoned that I would only be able to see a very concentrated solution. We have since had our microscope serviced and the light source is as bright as could be now with a new light bulb! We will redo HPTS at 2 uM and Rho-DPPE at 0.1 mol%. BTW, I've expressed sfGFP using PUREfrex 2.0 inside of 1:1 POPC:chloroform (total lipid 10 mg/ml) vesicles several times already and I can see green vesicles with the new light source! |
@zjuradoq Can you upload your protocol? I have a new suggestion for emulsification, but will test it a few times before posting a protocol. We find it much better for thorough emulsification of 20 uL inner solution in 300 uL lipid/oil. |
The total chloroform used was ~650 uL and was evaporated for 1 hour at 60C, mostly this long because I got held up with other things. The beaker was a 25 mL test tube of ~1 cm in diameter. I do use a use a confocal microscope. I will try again this week and have a clean protocol I will upload. |
@zjuradoq Hi Zoila, Hmm, it sounds like you are not be removing bulk chloroform fully. I would recommend using a standard 25-mL beaker, diameter is 4 cm and 80C. The 16 times larger surface area and 80C helps to remove most chloroform. I find that I can easily remove the 200 uL in 15 min (to the limit of my detection). What also worked for me was a 250-mL beaker (6.2 cm diameter) to remove 800 uL chloroform in 30 min at 80C. But, since time is of essence here, I would go with the recommended temp and a larger surface area but set a constant time. |
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@PaolaTorre Can you share the literature about the effects of residual chloroform on raft formation? |
@PaolaTorre When you say leaving the tubes under vacuum, do you mean in the process of making a dry lipid film or evaporating the chloroform in the shorten procedure? I would also just point for clarity, the image I posted are vesicles produced starting from the dry lipid film. Does the comment about carefully removing the chloroform then imply for this image? @OneScientista Thank you for the suggestions about how to better remove the chloroform. I will run thought the procedure again tomorrow and let you know. Also as for the expression time, I also find that in vesicles that expression is delayed. |
@zjuradoq Interesting about expression time. I didn't yet compare with bulk Pfrex. Some publications show that expression continues for a longer time in vesicles as compared to bulk solution. |
@zjuradoq I meant the step of production of the lipid film. After removing the chloroform with nitrogen or argon, I generally move the tube in a desiccator over-night. I adopt this procedure to be really sure that any residual of chloroform is gone. |
@PaolaTorre @p-stano @murrayrm @zjuradoq Is raft formation only associated with chloroform presence or are there other mechanisms for raft formation? How do we confirm that the observed increased red fluorescence indeed is a raft? Is formation of lipid rafts something we should worry about or is it an expected phase transition? |
@OneScientista I have usually seen rafts and have had different answers when I asked about them to others. I do not usually mix the oil and chloroform together and have started with the dry lipid film. To make the lipid film I have placed them in a vacuum with desiccator for 2 hours after evaporating over night. I always wondered if there could be additional chloroform or perhaps water is introduces during sonication. I would actually repeat your question to @PaolaTorre for some more insight. FACS is a good way of characterization of, through I am not sure if you remember a method proposed by Aaron. It was a way to calculate encapsulation efficiency that did not require FACS accessibility. |
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Hello, I do not know a lot about lipid rafts, but from the discussion here it seems that trying a chloroform-free preparation is a way to verify that the GVs do not have "rafts", accordingly. Your question: shall we worry about the "rafts" or whatever they are? From your images, even if the "rafts" are due to residual chloroform, it seems that it does not stop the TX-TL reactions. One can try, at least once, a comparison with a chloroform-free preparation. Other effects? I expect, but I am not sure, that at the boundary around a "raft" is a locus for problems/opportunities. Perhaps this has been already studied by people working on true lipid rafts (permeability change? binding of some species?).
I can tell what we made some time ago (... a still unpublished study!): we wanted a rapid manner to estimate the "transfer efficiency". When a droplet reaches the flat oil/O-solution interface, two main events are possible: (1) the droplet is transformed into a vesicle, (2) or it breaks and release its content in the O-solution. By including in the I-solution an easy-to-detect water soluble probe, one can calculate the transfer efficiency = event 1 / (event 1 + event 2) simply by measuring the concentration C of the probe in the O-solution and compare to the 0% efficiency (100% rupture). So, do not trow away the O-solution, but properly measure it. The efficiency is proportional to (C2-C1)/C2. We found typical values of 40-70%. This value also measures the captured volume (and therefore, indirectly, the vesicle size and number). The main advantage here is simplicity. Size distribution: yes, why not - with Image J (it has a standard tool for this). There are few clicks before applying the tool (preparatory operations on the digital images), but everyone can do it easily. Maybe the main problem is getting images of right quality (sharp difference between vesicles and background). Sample size: to have a mean +/- 0.5 um (more or less), the sample size N should be about 4*sigma^2. Maybe N > 200 vesicles sounds good. |
@zjuradoq @murrayrm @p-stano @PaolaTorre A slightly updated protocol using microtube homogenizer to disperse inner solution. 2 uM HPTS, 0.02 mol% Rho-DPPE. Otherwise the same chloroform evaporation temperature and time. |
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@p-stano One big difference is encapsulation efficiency. With vortexing a largish droplet forms at the bottom of the inverse emulsion. This droplet is very difficult or impossible to disperse (depends on the lipid composition). With this homogenizer, no droplet is visible. Having used it a few times, it looks like the fewer the pulses, the larger the vesicles produced. This seems intuitive. |
@zjuradoq @murrayrm @PaolaTorre @p-stano sfGFP expressed inside vesicles. Protocol used mini homogenizer for emulsification. |
@OneScientista (referring to the message of 26 october) |
@p-stano Yes, this is GFP expression. I think we could get this standardized. So far it seems the way to disperse most efficiently. It is interesting that composition of internal solution (whether it's just buffered glucose or small components of Pfrex) also has a lot of influence on the quality of vesicles. After some thought, this should not be surprising. |
@PaolaTorre Sorry about long response, as for drying the lipid I leave them overnight then place it in a vacuum for 2 hours. I do believe that sonication could be where water is contaminating the oil and lipid solution so I have been more careful with this. Currently, have moved away from starting from dry lipid film and currently using @OneScientista proposal of mixing chloroform, lipid, and oil. One difference that I still have is vortexing since we do not have a homogenizer. |
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Hello Paola, you are absolutely right. Residual chloroform and oil should be reduced/eliminated as much as possible. Whereas for chloroform straight ways exist (you mentioned in several messages), in the case of oil there is no obvious way if the droplet transfer method is applied. |
@p-stano I was familiar with the paper, but I didn't know about the squalene. |
Build-A-Cell POPCCholesterol 11.pdf
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