Callisto Network monetary policy update. #56
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@Dexaran How about reducing the fixed payment per month of 500 000 CLO (for the founders of the project) by the same percentage as the miners? Perhaps this would be a good taste. |
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With the introduction of a new monetary policy reward for cold stake, after a few years will be very small at the rate of one coin, consider the variation in the allocation of cold stake of a percentage of the income of the project ( for example, from the accelerated verification of the contract and other revenues that will have the project in a few years, with the introduction of new services). Not at the moment, but when the project becomes larger and will generate income comparable to mining. |
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This monetary policy is perfect. I prefer to start from 2500000. |
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Needs more % for investors ( Coldstakers ) to attract them. After Pirl implementation hashrate can be lowered. 3% in month during 2019 will be very attractive. You may claim, that you guarantee 2-3% during a year, without additional calculations from investor side. Too much % for miners, because miners are not straight investors and not interested in coin future |
Indeed it is. But from start CS in last november CLO lose about 40% from BTC and if for this 4 month your CS got back this dump then you lucky. And if you really look at the percentage, then 3% can quickly fall to 2% per month. For two weeks, the number of shareholders has increased by 50 million CLO and the percentage you receive if you pick up now is 3.4%, and two weeks ago it was 3.7%. |
I bought CLO in June and you know price )) , but I believe in project and try to do it better. 2-3% in crypto in a month is attractive for investor it can increase the price dramatically. 1-2% is so-so, and we have dozen coins with this reward. Smart contract audit is good for indusry, but useless for investor. Its not our competitive advantage for ordinary investor. |
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Does the team have a plan in case the price does not respond to a decrease in the block reward? Is a more flexible revision of monetary policy possible in the future, for example, not once a year, but depending on conditions? |
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@Dexaran Given the current state of the network and the expectations for the future of the project, a payroll of 500k CLO per month is rather controversial. How about stating dev's payroll from the treasury in fiat and not in CLO. Say, 10kUSD for the CEO, 10kUSD for the CRO, and so on. |
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Well, first, good job CLO Network, you are very welcome in my world. I love the project. First things first, about the monetary plan, you first need to understand that you have to get out of the "old world". This is the real challenge. You have to understand that if Cryptocurrencies have to succeed, the old system have to be recognized as obsolete. In innovation class, our teachers told us that whatever the resistance, mankind can't resist a "product" that is 10 times more efficient that the products it is supposed to replace. Why 10 times? I don't know, who cares, really? We can't always measure it. The thing to keep in mind is that if you are very efficient, you replace the obsolete technology. End of story. And people will be forced to adopt the new technology. Who here is still paying people to carry water to their homes? No. We all have a plumbing system to get as much water as we want. And look at all the smart people in here explaining the new strategy using old concepts that failed. We even have a wonderful "Wall Street Cheat Sheet" in the thread. Very nice. Very sophisticated. But it is thinking in the box, so let's rejects all of this. Let's think outside the box for a minute. Supply & Demand you say? What about a guaranteed minimum Demand? Take a look at the USDT. It's a stable coin. Meaning, you won't lose money on it... But the problem, is that 1) The value is set on a FIAT currency. If tomorrow the USD comes crashing, the USDT holders will lose money. 2) You won't make money on it. It will always be worth the same amount of USD. Hear me out. I'm talking about people confident in the value of their CLOs. A minimum value that will follow the trading value upward, but never downward. We need an entity, not necessarily centralized, to control the Network. The first mission of that Network as an entity would be to set a minimum value. This minimum value will only go up. Never down. In worse case scenarios, it stays stable. This is the safety we can give to investors. If you buy your CLOs at the set price by the Network, you won't lose money. Whatever what you do, you will get out with the value you invested in. CLOs should be like a rice and corn bags in a cellar. As long as there is no rats eating them, they are safe. Whatever happens, you won't starve to death. If you mix that with the Cold Staking benefits, CLO will only be limited by the implemented technology. People are shocked by the sums lost by some in Cryptocurrencies. We need stability and profits. We need a revolution. Second, we will need security. People will make mistakes. Shit happens. Dishonest people will do something. We will need tools to retrieve the lost amounts. Once these tools will be available, the criminals will of course exchange the stolen CLOs into other currencies. But as the stolen CLOs will be seized and sent back to the rightful owners, the loss will be on the people buying stolen CLOs from unknown vendors through exchanges. Forcing people to never buy CLOs unless it comes the Network's approved vendors. Of course, I'm being extremely simplistic here, but I can dive into details if necessary. So, in short. SECURITY. Financial security and General security. |
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Reduction should start at 2500000 and POS or cold staking should be given preference. Less than 3 % reward would not be good enough for investors to keep staking . So it should seriously thought that over 3 % reward is important to keep stakers interested. Reduce rewards for miners & increase for stakers. |
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@kirilusd @vinnykahlon Where did block number 2 500 000 come from? Did you do the same calculations as the team, or build charts, or maybe you know a different market cycle in the crypto industry? |
I tend to agree with this perspective. This is somewhat counter to the idea of cryptocurrency as a replacement to FIAT but it is a more stable representation of compensation. This does create more predictability in salary for the team. I however think $10K is not worth while for the devs and it would need to be a higher amount. |
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I think here many people do not realize that $ CLO exists thanks to the efforts of Dex, Yohan and others from the team. Why do you even comment on his salary. Indeed a 10k usd salary is ridiculous for the position and function of the management team. I suggest that, regardless of the price of CLO, Dex and Yohan's salary remains 500,000 CLO. This is exactly the idea and incentive for these people to develop this coin because they actually make their personal income and incentive. Everything else I guess is going to pay for staff and other expenses. |
Just to be clear I was responding to @bokel1. Actually given the current valuation of Callisto I think 500K Callisto is not enough. My point was to try and have a predictable method for paying the Team. I think we are on the same page there and I understand that using $CLO as the pay type that they would have more skin in the game (but hard to live your life without a predicable paycheck ergo my comment on tying compensation to a FIAT). |
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A few comments on shorting the miners. What happens when Clo is not worth mining? This is a proof of work coin right? I’m a miner supporting the network I’m currently paying $600 a month in electricity and get just enough Clo to cover that. If you short the miner who will uphold your network? I can always move on to something else but what will happen to Clo? I am for less inflation in the coin but that balance needs some thought. Also the 3% a month is crazy high! 36% a year actully more ! Lol that will never work out. How many real world investments that are legit pay that? You need some real help in economics in this area. Unless you what to pump this thing a couple years and dump it. |
Your $600 is not straight investment in CLO, its your investment in electric company) If hashrate be lowered, dufficulty be lowered too. After Pirl implementation CLO no need crazy high hashrate. I was ASIC miner, but sold everything and bought CLO. Wish CLO become POS coin))) |
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@Dexaran May be make one more wallet to accumulate CLO (get 5% from mining percent, for example)/ This wallet will be activated 03.03.2022 and increase cold stacking treasury every month for fixed count of coins. |
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Your $600 is not straight investment in CLO, its your investment in electric company) If hashrate be lowered, dufficulty be lowered too. After Pirl implementation CLO no need crazy high hashrate. I was ASIC miner, but sold everything and bought CLO. Wish CLO become POS coin))) Without a miner creating the coin and upholding the Clo network you would have nothing! This is not a POS coin. Believe me, having a large community of miners is in Clo favor. Having a small group is not. Look at all the coins who let ASICS take over or just have a small hashrate. You never hear squat about them anymore. I have never sold 1 coin I have mined since day one. Why would I mine a coin that wouldn’t even pay the electric bill to mine it? Those are shit coins and there are thousands of them. Right now I don’t see any huge advances on the blockchain side. What they have done so far is smart to keep coin alive. Getting on many trading platforms and having a staking coin. Making the miners pay to produce the coin and giving it to others who hold the coin. This can be done but a balance of economics needs to be applied or it will fall apart. |
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Research needs to be done if they really want to make this work in the future for this coin. 3% a month is just insane. It will never work out in the long run. Look at the highest yielding dividend on the DOW. Most of the good ones are 4 or 5% per YEAR. I could see 10 or 15% return for staking (dividend) for this coin and maybe it might not collapse on itself. I have not run their numbers yet because I’m just to busy and I don’t have a couple days to run the numbers and look at their distribution. Hope they know what they are doing or this becomes a pump and dump. |
Its a crypto market with normal +- 5% exchanging rate a day. We have a lot coins on market with reward from 0.5 to 120% a year. We are not first and biggest in reward. In POS we have a chance to convert all inflation in stakers reward, but in POW our inflation higher, then stakers% 3 times. With reward 4-5% a year, CLO have no interest for investors. In autumn 2019 CLO monthly interest be 2% its a lowest level for investors attraction. In a word: less % for miners, more% for buyers ) |
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The document attached in the title (New monetary policy) describes well what will happen with the CS percentage within 65 years. For those who are too lazy to read :) On condition of a freezing of 50% of coins.
So coin positioning as a source of passive income is possible for the first three years. But positioning as a way of maintaining the team is absolutely true. |
Well, we are not trying to artificially manipulate the price. We are going to create a long-term sustainable ecosystem and introduce changes that we believe are necessary for further development.
I would say that it is possible but we do not have any plans yet. |
We do not have any plans to update the payments yet. For the moment it will stay the same as it was described in the whitepaper from the very beginning. We will publish updates if this will change, but I don't think that it is related to the monetary policy. |
We should not just discard “old concepts” and invent our own new ones. The global economy does not change quickly and the processes do not occur instantly. If you think that cryptocurrencies will replace fiat and the banks will fall tomorrow then I will disagree. This is not how things are made in global economy area.
One of the main concepts of cryptocurrencies is censorship resistance. Having an entity capable of determining whether the funds are "approved" or not does not correspond to the above concept unless you can guarantee the decentralization of this entity. |
The coin can not be "not worth mining" if its price is not equal to zero. If the price drops and the hashrate drops in the same ratio then the profitability will remain the same. In addition we evaluate the switching to POS or POS/POW hybrid consensus. If the hashrate will drop significantly then we will switch the consensus algorithm in the next hardfork.
The system is intended to be self-balancing. So, the higher the ROI the more stakers will come causing the drop of the ROI. We are only rebalancing the allocation between miners and stakers. |
I would say that 4% - 7% ROI is a good target. However, we are not directly determining the ROI with our monetary policy. The actual ROI is determined by the community of stakers and the amount of staked CLOs. As I've mentioned earlier we only determine the % allocation between miners and stakers. |
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The fact that CLO may have that high ROI indicates that we are in the very early stage. Early adopters earn more but their risks are higher. |
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Dear developers, did your project become of no interest to you? please provide updated information to the pool operators about the monetary policy of your network |
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Due to the hard fork on the 2,900,000 block, we have shifted the reward change dates by 150,000 blocks. The next reward reduction will happen at block 4,400,000. |
Came some other awesome news for miners as well! |
Callisto Monetary Policy
The initial monetary policy of CLO was temporarily and not suitable for long-term. The main goals of high emission monetary policy were:
avoid the effect of price collapse right after the airdrop (watch EOS airdrops as an example of what could happen)
attract miners and initiate Cold Staking
reduce the influence of the airdropped coins owners to prevent their dominance in voting system
Now, as these goals can be considered achieved, it is necessary to move forwards and design a new monetary policy which will ensure long-term sustainability of CLO.
I believe that monetary policy is life-important for the project and we must approach this issue with all the responsibility, understanding of fundamental principles and psychological aspects of crypto markets and stock trading.
Callisto Network fundamentals
Callisto Network whitepaper can be found here.
The core features of Callisto are:
Security Auditing departments (paid from Treasury)
Development team (paid from Treasury)
Treasury
Summarizing the above it can be concluded that one of the main goals of Callisto monetary policy is to ensure the viability of the system by maintaining the liquidity of Treasury funds, i.e. ensuring the ability of Treasury to be used for further development of the project.
It should be noted that Treasury is not a storage of value. The main goal of Treasury is to provide a source of funding for Callisto ecosystem, but not to accumulate wealth. Therefore, only Treasury income makes sense when designing a long-term monetary policy, but not the amount of funds which is already stored is Treasury.
Economical background and market research
1. Demand is of decisive importance
The price and market capitalisation of an asset is determined by supply & demand. However, when talking about cryptocurrency markets, we should assume that demand is of decisive importance.
We can see plenty of high supply assets with high capitalisation (and high price) and a lot of low supply assets with low price. Some projects are just "big" and the other are just "another low profile coins" with low supply and low price. The destiny of a project is determined by how potential buyers evaluate it, thus the total success of a project is determined by market participants expectations.
In some cases, if you reduce the total supply then you will just reduce the market capitalization of an asset in long term. If there are no additional incentives to buy to ensure the demand (buy pressure) then the supply reduction will not directly affect the price. A good example is Ethereum Classic:
After the implementation of ECIP-1017 we can observe a short-term price surge (which was also caused by Callisto Airdrop which occurs on 5 March 2018) followed by a long downtrend. The max total supply of ETC decreased from infinity to 233M, the inflation decreased as well. However, the price has not increased and currently remains lower than at the time of the implementation of the monetary policy.
Lesson is learned: Do not expect price surge when at wrong market phase and do not expect the increase of "demand" when you reduce the "supply".
2. Psychology of market cycles
Market cycles are known phenomenon in stock trading. Read this statements for better understanding.
"Wall Street Cheat Sheet" illustration of what market cycles look like:
In crypto asset trading, market cycles are also important. All processes are cyclic and iterative. The hardest part of the cycle for investors and projects is the bearish phase ("Anger" and "Depression" on the image above). The effect of fundamental analysis is minimal, everything is stagnating no matter what. The outcome of positive news and successful development is zeroed out by lack of buyers.
According to the chart above, it can be concluded that the length of a single market cycle in crypto industry is about 260 days.
3. Buyers
There are multiple kinds of participants in crypto market:
Newcomers
Professional traders (TA traders)
Investors/bagholders
Newcomers enter the crypto market during the mid-late bullish phase (Optimism, belief, thrill, euphoria on the image above). They invest in whatever they can without any research. Professional traders do not care about fundamental analysis because they trade charts. You can join a CryptoUB's discord group, Crypto cartel group or Luke Martin's group and scroll the history of messages to see how traders think.
Only a certain group of buyers evaluate fundamental analysis of an asset before buying it.
4. Inflation reduction
Callisto is based on the "gym theory of markets". According to this theory, it is important to keep holders incentivized to hold. Cold Staking is intended to incentivize buyers to hold, while high inflation is incompatible with this theory. It is important to keep inflation levels low enough to ensure holding incentivization.
A common argument against monetary inflation in cryptoasset networks like Bitcoin is the ‘sound money’ thesis. Sound money is generally defined as: money that has a purchasing power determined by markets, independent of governments and political parties — such as precious metals like Gold when used as a medium-of-exchange.
ZCash is also a good example of inflation impact.
ZCash is the first crypto asset which implements zk-snarks, however, it is now perceived only as an opportunity to make an anonymous transaction. In general, high inflation is a strong argument against long term holding, which is against the purpose of Cold Staking of Callisto.
Designing the monetary policy
Taking the above statements into account, we can submit a set of rules which the desired monetary policy must match:
The main goal of the monetary policy is to ensure longterm sustainability of Callisto Network.
Inflation rate must be reduced.
Previously announced max cap must not be changed. The max cap of CLO is still 6,5 B coins.
It is necessary to reduce inflation no more than once per market cycle to ensure that the ecosystem can rebalance.
A radical decrease in inflation is unacceptable since it would entail a decrease in hashrate.
Significant decrease in inflation during the bearish market cycle phase is even more harmful as it entails the reduction of Treasury income and endangers the viability of Callisto ecosystem and the existence of Callisto Team.
Proposal
A full table with detailed numbers can be found here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WtxDprdbxO0Xmm4dBWeazvnT6fp_xYXw6fe3hCDBpCk/edit#gid=1751251200
References
Monetary policy
Microeconomics
Longterm holding strategy
The importance of psychology in trading
On Cryptoasset Monetary Inflation
ZCash emission reduction
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