Voicing features #1413
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Could you explain what should this feature do? |
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Are you familiar with HW? This much sought after software allows one to calibrate each note in a selected rank or indeed an entire octave or even an entire rank (all notes at the same time) in-as-far as pitch, volume, tone (treble/bass), wind pressure (subtle variations in tone for longer held notes to mimick what happens in real life and produces a more realistic effect on the ears and brain interpretation). It has vertical sliders which can be adjusted up and down for each key for that rank and a side slider which activates all the sliders of each note together for a particular octave and another for the entire rank. This is a very important tool as each organ loaded could be tailored to an environment in which it will be played. The acoustic environment is as much a part of the organ as the instrument itself. A dry organ is very dull in sound quality; the reverb and tonal adjustments (that are also essentially done on real pipes when installed and during maintenance and servicing) give the instrument life. Enhancing the treble in a trumpet rank can make the difference between French and German sounding instrument. I'm sure there are people who can perhaps define these better than me. |
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@Bumblebee001 This is already present at the |
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Can you clarify please as I seem to be missing it altogether.
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@Bumblebee001 <https://github.com/Bumblebee001> This is already present
at the Organ Setting dialog. You can do a lot of adjustments of
individual pipes, ranks, windchests or of the whole organ there.
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I’ll look into it later as I’m not at home. The features are very likely
not as clear and user friendly as in HW - which is why I missed them
altogether.
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1. Run GrandOrgue
2. Load an organ
3. Select Audio/MIDI -> Organ Settings from the menu
4. You will see a lot of things to adjust
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Ok I see what you mean. It would be better to represent the settings as
sliders that the way they are. As they are there is no visual cue to see
what you have and how one could adjust things.
Also I always have issues understanding the difference between amplitude
and gain.
There is no treble/ bass enhancer.
There is no dynamic wind setting.
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I’ll look into it later as I’m not at home. The features are very likely
not as clear and user friendly as in HW - which is why I missed them
altogether.
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> 1. Run GrandOrgue
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> 3. Select Audio/MIDI -> Organ Settings from the menu
> 4. You will see a lot of things to adjust
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Do you really need to have this at each pipe level? Or having the single bass/treble balance would be enough for you? Adjusting treble/bass os the sound requires a lot of computations. If we have this setting individually for each pipe, we have to compute the adjusted sound for each pipe. With a high poliphony levels it may bring very high CPU load. Instead, processing the whole organ sound (or processing a few audio groups sound) would require dramaticcaly less CPU power. |
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In jOrgan the concept of flexible wind was created and usually it is a
setting (on/off) on the console of the organ itself rather than the
software
…On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 at 18:09, Mark Bugeja ***@***.***> wrote:
Ok I see what you mean. It would be better to represent the settings as
sliders that the way they are. As they are there is no visual cue to see
what you have and how one could adjust things.
Also I always have issues understanding the difference between amplitude
and gain.
There is no treble/ bass enhancer.
There is no dynamic wind setting.
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> I’ll look into it later as I’m not at home. The features are very likely
> not as clear and user friendly as in HW - which is why I missed them
> altogether.
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>> 1. Run GrandOrgue
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>> 4. You will see a lot of things to adjust
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+1 for voicing feature. |
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@Bumblebee001 I checked the sources, and it seems that jOrgan does not have a wind model, it just passes some basic flags to fluidsynth. In the source of fluidsynth I found related functions /src/bindings/fluid_cmd.c:3376 -> If you would like to enhance the GUI, feel free to create a pull request. The best thing in opensource is that if you do not like something, you can customize any part of the code to your taste. If you are not into programming, you may still create an issue for feature request clearly stating that exactly what enhancement would you propose. |
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As I explained, in jOrgan the "flexible wind", apparently designed by Paul Stratman, is a feature that is included within his sample-sets and does not feature as a function on jOrgan. John Reimer's sample-sets include this feature too; he calls it "wind destabilizer". We should have the ability to adjust all modalities for (a) each pipe individually (b) for each octaves (groups of 12 pipes; 13 for last octave) AND (c) a master slider that adjusts ALL the other sliders that may have been individually modified. Voicing "filters" need to allow changes in tone (brightness), frequency (tuning in cents) and amplitude/ gain (volume) individually and NOT applied to the whole organ. 3 set of sliders need to be created (i) individual notes/ pipes of a rank (ii) each octave of that rank (iii) and a master slider for the whole rank. |
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Tuning and gain is already present for individual pipes. But voicing filters won't be created for individual pipes until the power of computer becomes sufficient for it. I may suggest to implement voicing filters for audio groups. If you have a sufficient power computer, you may create separate audio groups for octaves or even for individual pipes. |
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Hauptwerk software already caters for this so I cannot see why it cannot be implimented for GO. Also, the presentation / GUI needs to be addressed. As it currently is, it is difficult to use. |
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I just up this thread because very interested in voicing features on GO like Hauptwerk do. For example if I have a mediocre stop that I can't find elsewhere, I'd like to be able to tweak it a little .. |
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I'm also in favor of wind destabilization in Grandorgue. I would love to be able to adjust treble and bass in settings. I now use other software on the side to adjust organ sound, but it's better per pipe! |
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I have already requested these features myself. So far the only outcome is
a version of GO with equaliser GO 3.12.1-15.
We are inching closer but I think there’s still more work needed to
simplify matters for the end users.
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I'm also in favor of wind destabilization in Grandorgue. I would love to
be able to adjust treble and bass in settings. I now use other software on
the side to adjust organ sound, but it's better per pipe!
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I would like to see voicing features added to GrandOrgue.
Is there any chance of seeing these any time soon or at all?
Mark
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