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@nsgomez nsgomez commented Nov 22, 2015

"Oppression" is a broad term that may not be wholly appropriate for a code of conduct or moderation policy, and could be misconstrued in a variety of ways.

For instance, users could claim that they are being oppressed by having their comments moderated, as they may feel they are being targeted for their beliefs as well. It could also be interpreted as meaning that only content that attempt to silence others fall under this policy.

Using the social justice definition of oppression, this runs the risk of being misconstrued as only applying to those with certain beliefs or qualities, while others cannot be moderated using this justification because of their "oppression status" -- this is too subjective for a CoC which should be easily understood by as many members as possible.

For these reasons, replace the one instance of "oppression" with a more specific and broadly accepted description of behaviors that are unacceptable ("prejudiced and dsicriminatory").

"Oppression" is a broad term that may not be wholly appropriate
for a code of conduct or moderation policy, and could easily be
misconstrued.

For instance, users could claim that they are being oppressed by
having their comments moderated, as they may feel they are being
targeted for their beliefs as well. It could also be interpreted
as meaning that only content that attempt to silence others fall
under this policy.

Using the social justice definition of oppression, this runs the
risk of being misconstrued as only applying to those with certain
beliefs or qualities, while others cannot be moderated using this
justification because of their "oppression status" -- this is too
subjective for a CoC which should be easily understood by as many
members as possible.

For these reasons, replace the one instance of "oppression" with
a more specific and broadly accepted description of behaviors
that are unacceptable ("prejudiced and dsicriminatory").
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Could see replacing it with systematic oppression. It doesn't mean the same
thing as prejudice and discrimination, which is kind of the point.

On Sat, Nov 21, 2015, 10:50 PM Nelson Gomez [email protected]
wrote:

"Oppression" is a broad term that may not be wholly appropriate
for a code of conduct or moderation policy, and could easily be
misconstrued.

For instance, users could claim that they are being oppressed by
having their comments moderated, as they may feel they are being
targeted for their beliefs as well. It could also be interpreted
as meaning that only content that attempt to silence others fall
under this policy.

Using the social justice definition of oppression, this runs the
risk of being misconstrued as only applying to those with certain
beliefs or qualities, while others cannot be moderated using this
justification because of their "oppression status" -- this is too
subjective for a CoC which should be easily understood by as many
members as possible.

For these reasons, replace the one instance of "oppression" with
a more specific and broadly accepted description of behaviors

that are unacceptable ("prejudiced and dsicriminatory").

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We also already talk about discrimination.

On Sat, Nov 21, 2015, 10:51 PM JB Rubinovitz [email protected] wrote:

Could see replacing it with systematic oppression. It doesn't mean the
same thing as prejudice and discrimination, which is kind of the point.

On Sat, Nov 21, 2015, 10:50 PM Nelson Gomez [email protected]
wrote:

"Oppression" is a broad term that may not be wholly appropriate
for a code of conduct or moderation policy, and could easily be
misconstrued.

For instance, users could claim that they are being oppressed by
having their comments moderated, as they may feel they are being
targeted for their beliefs as well. It could also be interpreted
as meaning that only content that attempt to silence others fall
under this policy.

Using the social justice definition of oppression, this runs the
risk of being misconstrued as only applying to those with certain
beliefs or qualities, while others cannot be moderated using this
justification because of their "oppression status" -- this is too
subjective for a CoC which should be easily understood by as many
members as possible.

For these reasons, replace the one instance of "oppression" with
a more specific and broadly accepted description of behaviors

that are unacceptable ("prejudiced and dsicriminatory").

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

#31
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  • Replace "oppressive" with better term

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Institutionalized Oppression: Institutional Oppression occurs when established laws, customs, and practices systematically reflect and produce inequities based on one’s membership in targeted social identity groups. If oppressive consequences accrue to institutional laws, customs, or practices, the institution is oppressive whether or not the individuals maintaining those practices have oppressive intentions.

Think this definition is helpful to leave here.

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nsgomez commented Nov 22, 2015

That's still only a partial definition and omits three other paragraphs.

"Institutional Oppression is the systematic mistreatment of people within a social identity group, supported and enforced by the society and its institutions, solely based on the person’s membership in the social identity group.

Institutional Oppression occurs when established laws, customs, and practices systematically reflect and produce inequities based on one’s membership in targeted social identity groups. If oppressive consequences accrue to institutional laws, customs, or practices, the institution is oppressive whether or not the individuals maintaining those practices have oppressive intentions.

Institutional Oppression creates a system of invisible barriers limiting people based on their membership in unfavored social identity groups. The barriers are only invisible to those “seemingly” unaffected by it.

The practice of institutionalized oppression is based on the belief in inherent superiority or inferiority. Institutionalized oppression is a matter of result regardless of intent."

http://www.pcc.edu/resources/illumination/documents/institutionalized-oppression-definitions.pdf

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Thanks!

On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Nelson Gomez [email protected]
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That's still only a partial definition and omits three other paragraphs.

"Institutional Oppression is the systematic mistreatment of people within
a social identity group, supported and enforced by the society and its
institutions, solely based on the person’s membership in the social
identity group.

Institutional Oppression occurs when established laws, customs, and
practices systematically reflect and produce inequities based on one’s
membership in targeted social identity groups. If oppressive consequences
accrue to institutional laws, customs, or practices, the institution is
oppressive whether or not the individuals maintaining those practices have
oppressive intentions.

Institutional Oppression creates a system of invisible barriers limiting
people based on their membership in unfavored social identity groups. The
barriers are only invisible to those “seemingly” unaffected by it.

The practice of institutionalized oppression is based on the belief in
inherent superiority or inferiority. Institutionalized oppression is a
matter of result regardless of intent."


http://www.pcc.edu/resources/illumination/documents/institutionalized-oppression-definitions.pdf


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