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CJK Sans? #353

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MAZ06 opened this issue May 9, 2024 · 16 comments
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CJK Sans? #353

MAZ06 opened this issue May 9, 2024 · 16 comments
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@MAZ06
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MAZ06 commented May 9, 2024

Why are CJK characters (specifically Japanese and Korean) in a sans font? Shouldn't they be serif like (almost) everything else?

Edit: Actually, I'm noticing a lot of sans fonts where serif is available. Tamil is also sans even though Noto has a serif version. Why is LGC in serif but other languages are in sans?

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Mercury13 commented May 9, 2024

I mostly prefer serif, but depends on “the most canonical” look of letters for foreigners.
Serif: Han ideographs regardless of country, old CJK scripts.
Sans: Kana (except Hentaigana, I’ve found a very interesting font where Hentaigana is sans → scrapped), Hangul

Tamil just uses standard Windows font :)
About Telugu, Malayalam, Myanmar — I even don’t know.
Javanese — at least W10 has good Javanese, but because of long ascenders/descenders I could not fit it to the cell :)
Lanna — recently found
Odia, Gurmukhi, Gujarati — I’m glad that Noto made a cool semi-serif font
Ethiopic — I prefer normal serif to “canonical” calligraphic font, and I think the best version for Ethiopic is semi-serif like on Mac
Same for Caucasian Albanian: there is a grave of scholar who studied it, and it was written in nice semi-serif — just want! (UPD: Caucasian is sans, semi-serif is normal Georgian, but still want such Caucasian)
Nüshu — want some sort of serif
Old scripts scratched on something like Brahmi or Parthian — just sans
Devanagari, Bengali, Kannada — only serif!
Khojki — does not really matter, but Noto serif is so nice!
Old Indic — probably sans because of method of writing (on copper foil or palm leaves)
Gothic is so “gothic” that I specifically looked for serif!
Makasar — want special “bird” serif as written on treaties with Dutch East-Indic company

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About new scripts like Toto — it’s better to base fonts on handwritten specimen. Specifically Toto — cool people from SIL made a canonical font, but IDK what to take for Tangsa, canonical letters are being drawn right away. SIL also made a font for Kirat, also based on handwriting rather than on Unicode images.

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MAZ06 commented May 9, 2024

Why not use Noto for Tamil? I feel like Noto should be the default font in most cases.

Same for Javanese. Also, it looks like Javanese fits into the cells just fine in Unicodia...

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Javanese is Noto, just because of those funky metrics! And because of W7, of course: just a few days ago I proclaimed that I have nothing for W7 except simple runnability, the former policy was the entire base plane and three P1 scripts of extreme importance.

User fonts glitch sometimes, and those glitches are hard to repeat and fix.

Someday I will move Korean to serif, but kana will remain sans. It’ll also improve Han radicals and Bopomofo.

Which scripts are done really well with Noto: Canadian, probably Tangsa (IDK), Mongol (except glyphs).

I prefer other fonts if possible. For Arabic I use SIL’s Scheherazade.

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MAZ06 commented May 9, 2024

What's wrong with Noto Arabic?

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IDK about complex Arabic rendering, but it adopted new characters very late.

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MAZ06 commented May 10, 2024

Should be okay to switch to Noto Arabic now, right?

I'm looking forward to #314.

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Mercury13 commented May 10, 2024

Noto Arabic — IDK.
We’ll see in the autumn who will draw four new characters first. In U14 and 15 Scheherazade was long ahead.

@Mercury13 Mercury13 added the hanging font Smth troublesome inside → did not update label May 10, 2024
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Mercury13 commented May 10, 2024

@MAZ06
I want to take a sabbatical and stop doing anything big.
But at least I’ll draw a mockup of how I see #314 Arabic.
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MAZ06 commented May 10, 2024

ken-jeong-community

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MAZ06 commented May 10, 2024

The forms are also not labeled... :(

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MAZ06 commented May 10, 2024

Wait... Those aren't even the actual forms... lol

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@MAZ06 I don’t want to make styles like in other two channels, Glagolitic or vertical.
Yes, that’s a mockup.
And here’s the old thing — Glagolitic.
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MAZ06 commented May 10, 2024

There is so much room on the right. You could easy put everything there full-sized, including the Bulgaria/Croatia stuff.

The text below can be pushed to the bottom.

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You are quite right, but that removes one thing — selection what style to draw in table. Does it matter?

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MAZ06 commented May 10, 2024

For Bulgaria/Croatia? You could just keep the radio buttons...

Like, draw both on the right, but also keep the buttons.

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