diff --git a/code/modules/admin/admin_verbs.dm b/code/modules/admin/admin_verbs.dm
index d158a53effa4..487ef45bde4d 100644
--- a/code/modules/admin/admin_verbs.dm
+++ b/code/modules/admin/admin_verbs.dm
@@ -98,6 +98,7 @@ GLOBAL_PROTECT(admin_verbs_admin)
 	/client/proc/cmd_admin_law_panel,
 	/client/proc/log_viewer_new,
 	/client/proc/player_ticket_history,
+	/client/proc/admin_lobby_chat, // NON-MODULE CHANGE
 	)
 GLOBAL_LIST_INIT(admin_verbs_ban, list(/client/proc/unban_panel, /client/proc/ban_panel, /client/proc/stickybanpanel, /client/proc/library_control))
 GLOBAL_PROTECT(admin_verbs_ban)
diff --git a/code/modules/mob/dead/new_player/new_player.dm b/code/modules/mob/dead/new_player/new_player.dm
index 4f951025ba1c..670ae76ac6c5 100644
--- a/code/modules/mob/dead/new_player/new_player.dm
+++ b/code/modules/mob/dead/new_player/new_player.dm
@@ -417,4 +417,89 @@
 	SSticker.ready_report -= src // should be redundant but just in case.
 	return ..()
 
+/mob/dead/new_player/say(message, bubble_type, list/spans, sanitize, datum/language/language, ignore_spam, forced, filterproof, message_range, datum/saymode/saymode)
+	if(isnull(client) || client.interviewee)
+		return
+
+	client.lobby_chat(message)
+
+/// Lobby chat: An intermedium between OOC and IC chat, where players can talk to each other before joining the game / while the game sets up
+/client/proc/lobby_chat(message)
+	VALIDATE_CLIENT(src)
+
+	if(GLOB.say_disabled) //This is here to try to identify lag problems
+		to_chat(src, span_danger("Speech is currently admin-disabled."))
+		return
+	if(is_banned_from(ckey, "OOC"))
+		to_chat(src, span_danger("You have been banned from lobby chat."))
+		return
+
+	message = trim(sanitize(message), MAX_MESSAGE_LEN)
+	var/list/filter_result = is_ooc_filtered(message)
+	if (!CAN_BYPASS_FILTER(mob) && filter_result)
+		REPORT_CHAT_FILTER_TO_USER(src, filter_result)
+		log_filter("OOC", message, filter_result)
+		return
+	var/list/soft_filter_result = filter_result || is_soft_ooc_filtered(message)
+	if (soft_filter_result)
+		if(tgui_alert(src, "Your message contains \"[soft_filter_result[CHAT_FILTER_INDEX_WORD]]\". \"[soft_filter_result[CHAT_FILTER_INDEX_REASON]]\", Are you sure you want to say it?", "Soft Blocked Word", list("Yes", "No")) != "Yes")
+			return
+		message_admins("[ADMIN_LOOKUPFLW(src)] has passed the soft filter for \"[soft_filter_result[CHAT_FILTER_INDEX_WORD]]\" they may be using a disallowed term. Message: \"[message]\"")
+		log_admin_private("[key_name(src)] has passed the soft filter for \"[soft_filter_result[CHAT_FILTER_INDEX_WORD]]\" they may be using a disallowed term. Message: \"[message]\"")
+	if(!message || QDELETED(src))
+		return
+	mob.log_talk(message, LOG_OOC)
+	message = "<span class='message linkify'>[emoji_parse(message)]</span>"
+
+	var/player_name = key
+	var/fake_key = holder?.fakekey
+	if(fake_key)
+		player_name = fake_key
+	else if(length(holder?.ranks))
+		player_name = "[span_tooltip(holder.rank_names(), "STAFF")] [key]"
+
+	if(prefs.hearted)
+		var/datum/asset/spritesheet/sheet = get_asset_datum(/datum/asset/spritesheet/chat)
+		player_name = "[sheet.icon_tag("emoji-heart")] [player_name]"
+	if(prefs.unlock_content && (prefs.toggles & MEMBER_PUBLIC))
+		player_name = "<font color='[prefs.read_preference(/datum/preference/color/ooc_color)]'>[icon2html('icons/ui_icons/chat/member_content.dmi', world, "blag")] [player_name]</font>"
+
+	// relay lobby chat to all people in the lobby
+	// goes to info, so people who separate ooc can still see it in the main tab
+	for(var/mob/dead/new_player/recipient as anything in GLOB.new_player_list)
+		if(isnull(recipient.client)) // allegedly all new players are cliented, but who knows?
+			continue
+
+		var/visible_name = player_name
+		if(fake_key)
+			if(recipient == src || check_rights_for(recipient.client, R_STEALTH))
+				visible_name += " / ([key])"
+			else if(fake_key in recipient.client.prefs.ignoring)
+				continue
+
+		else if(key in recipient.client.prefs.ignoring)
+			continue
+
+		to_chat(recipient, span_nicegreen("[span_prefix("LOBBY:")] <em>[visible_name]:</em> [message]"), avoid_highlighting = (recipient == src), type = MESSAGE_TYPE_INFO)
+
+	// relay lobby chat to admins who aren't in the lobby, so they can monitor it
+	// spits to OOC instead of info, so as to not annoy admins who separate their chats out
+	for(var/client/admin as anything in GLOB.admins)
+		if(isnewplayer(admin.mob)) // already sees it
+			continue
+
+		var/visible_name = player_name
+		if(fake_key && (admin == src || check_rights_for(admin, R_STEALTH)))
+			visible_name += " / ([key])"
+
+		to_chat(admin, span_nicegreen("[span_prefix("LOBBY (RELAYED):")] <em>[visible_name]:</em> [message]"), type = MESSAGE_TYPE_OOC)
+
+/// Allows admins in game to speak to people in lobby chat
+/client/proc/admin_lobby_chat(msg as text)
+	set name = "Lobby Chat Relay"
+	set category = "OOC"
+	set desc = "Relay a message to the lobby chat from in game."
+
+	lobby_chat(msg)
+
 #undef RESET_HUD_INTERVAL
diff --git a/maplestation_modules/code/modules/client/verbs/looc.dm b/maplestation_modules/code/modules/client/verbs/looc.dm
index be5a8f23febf..b2f3bebe937f 100644
--- a/maplestation_modules/code/modules/client/verbs/looc.dm
+++ b/maplestation_modules/code/modules/client/verbs/looc.dm
@@ -25,7 +25,7 @@ GLOBAL_VAR_INIT(looc_allowed, TRUE)
 			to_chat(src, span_danger("LOOC is globally muted."))
 			return
 		if(!GLOB.dooc_allowed && (mob.stat == DEAD))
-			to_chat(src, span_danger("OOC / LOOC for dead mobs has been turned off."))
+			to_chat(src, span_danger("LOOC for dead mobs has been turned off."))
 			return
 		if(prefs.muted & MUTE_OOC)
 			to_chat(src, span_danger("You cannot use LOOC (muted)."))
@@ -36,10 +36,10 @@ GLOBAL_VAR_INIT(looc_allowed, TRUE)
 
 	// Really?
 	if(!SSticker.HasRoundStarted())
-		to_chat(src, span_danger("The round hasn't started yet, dummy! Just use OOC."))
+		to_chat(src, span_danger("The round hasn't started yet!"))
 		return
-	if(istype(mob, /mob/dead/new_player))
-		to_chat(src, span_danger("You're not in game to broadcast LOOC anywhere! Use OOC."))
+	if(isnewplayer(mob))
+		to_chat(src, span_danger("You're not in game to broadcast LOOC anywhere!"))
 		return
 
 	// Check for people with OOC muted
@@ -49,14 +49,13 @@ GLOBAL_VAR_INIT(looc_allowed, TRUE)
 
 	// Check for people banned from OOC
 	if(is_banned_from(ckey, "OOC"))
-		to_chat(src, span_danger("You have been banned from OOC / LOOC."))
+		to_chat(src, span_danger("You have been banned from LOOC."))
 		return
 
 	if(QDELETED(src))
 		return
 
-	msg = copytext_char(sanitize(msg), 1, MAX_MESSAGE_LEN)
-
+	msg = trim(sanitize(msg), MAX_MESSAGE_LEN)
 	if(!msg)
 		return