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There are many unhandled plurals which end with known exceptions #4

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XanC opened this issue Jan 14, 2014 · 7 comments
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There are many unhandled plurals which end with known exceptions #4

XanC opened this issue Jan 14, 2014 · 7 comments

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@XanC
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XanC commented Jan 14, 2014

airmen, businesswomen, townsmen, housewives, werewolves.

There are already exceptions for "men", "women", "wives", and "wolves", but somehow those should also apply to words ending with "men" etc, rather than just those strings.

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This is a tricky problem for some cases, for example "stamen" shouldn't become "staman" (I don't think so anyway), so the only way I can think of to procede is to just add each example to the list.

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XanC commented Jan 15, 2014

My impression (I haven't done any research, though) is that words like "stamen" are the exception. I only included a few examples like "airmen", but there are a LOT of those. Just about anything can have "men" or "women" tacked onto it, and it should singularize to "man" or "woman".

There are a lot fewer that end in "wolves", probably, but I would think virtually all of them would singularize to "wolf".

Ah, here's a way to look at it... According to scrabblefinder.com, there are 3 words (besides "wolf" itself) which end in "wolf": werwolf, werewolf, and aardwolf.

There are 10 that end in "wife" (besides wife): alewife, huswife, midwife, oldwife, housewife, superwife, farmwife, fishwife, goodwife, kalewife.

There are over 400 that end in "man" (including those that end in "woman"). Here's where I would argue the default should be to singularize any word ending in "men" to "man". That's a long list, and there are probably any number of other words which logically could have "men" tacked on the end and make sense, and be expected to singularize to "man". There will be exceptions like "stamen", but I think that'll be a much shorter list.

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My list of words ending in "men" looks like this:

abdomen
acumen
ad-men
admen
afikomen
agnomen
aircraftmen
airmen
airwomen
alaskamen
albumen
aldermen
amen
anchormen
ape-men
armen
assemblymen
backwoodsmen
bandsmen
barmen
barrow-men
batmen
batsmen
beggarmen
beggarwomen
behmen
benjimen
berumen
bitumen
boatmen
bogeymen
bowmen
brakemen
bremen
brisingamen
bushmen
businessmen
businesswomen
busmen
byre-men
cabmen
cameramen
carmen
catechumen
cattlemen
cavalrymen
cavemen
cerumen
chairmen
chairwomen
chapmen
charwomen
chessmen
churchmen
clamen
clansmen
classmen
clemen
clergymen
coachmen
coalmen
cognomen
con-men
congressmen
congresswomen
cormen
councilmen
councilwomen
countrymen
countrywomen
cowmen
cracksmen
craftsmen
cragsmen
crewmen
cyclamen
dahmen
daimen
dairymen
dalesmen
dammen
dohmen
dolmen
doormen
draftsmen
draughtsmen
duramen
dustmen
dutchmen
ehmen
emmen
energumen
englishmen
englishwomen
ex-servicemen
examen
excisemen
fellow-men
ferrymen
fieldsmen
firemen
fishermen
flagmen
flamen
footmen
foramen
foremen
forewomen
freedmen
freemen
frenchmen
frenchwomen
freshmen
frogmen
frontiersmen
g-men
gentlemen
gentlewomen
germen
god-men
gombeen-men
gravamen
groundsmen
guardsmen
gunmen
hammen
handymen
hangmen
harmen
he-men
headmen
hegumen
helmsmen
hemmen
henchmen
herdsmen
highwaymen
hinmen
holmen
homen
horsemen
horsewomen
housemen
hsiamen
huntsmen
husbandmen
hymen
icemen
indiamen
infantrymen
irishmen
irishwomen
jazzmen
journeymen
jurymen
kamen
kelemen
kilolumen
kinmen
kinsmen
kinswomen
klansmen
landsmen
laundrymen
laundrywomen
lawmen
laymen
lemen
lemmen
liegemen
liftmen
limen
linemen
linesmen
linkmen
liverymen
lobstermen
lommen
longshoremen
lumbermen
lumen
madmen
madwomen
mailmen
mammen
marksmen
medicine-men
men
merchantmen
mermen
meskimen
middlemen
midshipmen
militiamen
milkmen
minutemen
motormen
muffin-men
musclemen
needlewomen
newcomen
newsmen
newspapermen
newswomen
night-watchmen
noblemen
nomen
norsemen
northmen
numen
nurserymen
oarsmen
oarswomen
oehmen
oilmen
ombudsmen
omen
ommen
orangemen
pantrymen
patrolmen
pitchmen
pitmen
placemen
plainsmen
ploughmen
pointsmen
policemen
policewomen
postmen
potmen
praenomen
prenomen
pressmen
property-men
putamen
pyrobitumen
quarrymen
raftsmen
ragmen
railwaymen
regimen
repairmen
riflemen
roadmen
roundsmen
rumen
salarymen
salesmen
saleswomen
salmen
sandwichmen
schoolmen
scotchmen
scotchwomen
scotsmen
scotswomen
seamen
seedsmen
semen
servicemen
showmen
sidesmen
signalmen
snowmen
specimen
spokesmen
spokeswomen
sportsmen
stablemen
stamen
stammen
statesmen
steersmen
stemen
strommen
supermen
superwomen
switchmen
swordsmen
t-men
tallymen
tammen
taxmen
tegmen
thommen
tiananmen
tienanmen
townsmen
tradesmen
trainmen
trenchermen
tribesmen
turkmen
tutankhamen
tyumen
uelmen
underclassmen
velamen
vercammen
vesmen
vestrymen
vimen
vonallmen
washerwomen
watchmen
watermen
weathermen
welshmen
women
woodmen
woodsmen
workmen
xiamen
yachtsmen
yamen
yemen
yeomen

Either way, there seem to be quite a few exceptions in the list, so we need to make either an exception list or a list of -men words.

@benkasminbullock
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Probably the best thing to do is to make a list of both -men/-wives/ etc. which are and are not plurals. This ensures room to manoeuvre in the future. I don't have time to do this right now so I will leave this issue open. If you want to do the work then please do it. Thanks.

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One of your references (http://www.macmillandictionary.com/thesaurus-category/british/Irregular-plurals) lists people => person. I'd like to see that included, since I need it.
TIA.

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It should be in there now (version 0.14). I didn't write a test for it so
let me know if it doesn't work.

On 5 August 2014 15:58, Ron Savage [email protected] wrote:

One of your references (
http://www.macmillandictionary.com/thesaurus-category/british/Irregular-plurals)
lists people => person. I'd like to see that included, since I need it.
TIA.


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Hi Ben

Beautiful. Thanx.

On 05/08/14 19:12, Ben Bullock wrote:

It should be in there now (version 0.14). I didn't write a test for it so
let me know if it doesn't work.

On 5 August 2014 15:58, Ron Savage [email protected] wrote:

One of your references (
http://www.macmillandictionary.com/thesaurus-category/british/Irregular-plurals)
lists people => person. I'd like to see that included, since I need it.
TIA.


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