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This page collects testimonial for ergoemacs-mode. Thank you. I
appreciate them very much. Your nice words keep me going. – Xah Lee
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<h3 id="sec-1">Paul Michael Reilly – 2013-06-07</h3>
<div class="outline-text-3" id="text-1">
<p><a href="https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ergoemacs/ileUMQ0M3Lc">Posted Here</a>
</p><blockquote>
<p>After some 30 years of using Emacs constantly, I recently switched
from using Microsoft keyboards (of various sorts) to using Apple
keyboards. Needless to say, Emacs Pinky arose and I found myself
consuming most all of what Xah Lee has written in the area of using
Emacs ergonomically with Apple keyboards. Most impressive material.
</p>
<p>
Being a bleeding edge Emacs User (and occasional developer, although
it embarrasses me to think about how long it has been since I made any
substantial contributions), I use the development nightly builds as a
matter of course. So when I bit the bullet and installed ErgoEmacs,
my instance blew up (in that nothing worked as expected) and I decided
to back off a bit from going whole hog. [Mea culpa, but I did not
have the time to debug the problems. At least not yet.]
</p>
<p>
To make a long story shorter, I embraced the notion of remapping keys
to use the recommended ErgoEmacs layout, but tried to shortcut the
process by turning "caps lock" into a "menu" key and creating key
sequences that were productive for me; remapping the "control" key to
"command", the "option" keys to "control" and the "command" keys to
"option". But I did not take the pains of programmatically changing
the key bindings for other packages (like org-mode) so I quickly ran
into hassles.
</p>
<p>
To resolve the issue of other package interference with the ErgoEmacs
keybindings I used (on Meta), I switched back to using the Mac default
modifier keys and mapped the ErgoEmacs bindings to the "command" keys
via Super.
</p>
<p>
One of Xah's best suggestions for me was the notion of "curled thumbs"
to symmetrically type the Super keys. That has been a huge win, both
in eliminating Emacs Pinky and improving my typing productivity. Who
knew? :-)
</p>
<p>
I am still a bit anxious that OS X will intervene on some of my
rebindings with the "command" key in particular but so far so good.
</p>
<p>
In all of this work that I've done, the major factor has been
significantly reducing the need to use C-<key> and M-<key> chords and
instead using "menu" key sequences and s-<key> chords.
</p>
<p>
Another factor has been standardizing on the short Apple keyboard (the
one found on recent Apple laptops) which I once hated because of the
lack of "control" key symmetry. I found that once I started using
curled thumbs for chords, the short keyboard actually worked quite
well for me. Especially since I use some half dozen MacBook Air/Pro
laptops and Mac Mini systems on a regular basis.
</p>
<p>
There are probably a few other steps taken that I have forgotten but I
think this captures most of a positive experience in embracing
ErgoEmacs keyboarding.
</p>
<p>
fwiw,
</p>
<p>
-pmr
</p>
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<h3 id="sec-2">fleontrotsky – 2012-10-12</h3>
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<blockquote>
<p>Thanks to @xah<sub>lee</sub> for ergo-emacs. If #emacs could become my prime
editor for windows, I would be exuberant!
</p>
</blockquote>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://twitter.com/fleontrotsky">fleontrotsky</a>
</li>
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<h3 id="sec-3">Hacker News Mentions – 2012-10-12</h3>
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<li><a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3386023">Emacs for the rest of us</a> (Posted by macco)
</li>
<li><a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1510146">ErgoEmacs</a>
</li>
<li><a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=695893">Ergoemacs Keybindings</a> (2009-07-09 By Xichekolas)
</li>
</ul>
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<h3 id="sec-4">Delicious bookmark and comments</h3>
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<p><a href="https://previous.delicious.com/url/aa40f8106085d7e6dd0e218d0350f5c8">Delicious.com bookmark site comments</a>
</p>
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<h3 id="sec-5">Jeffrey E Pace – 2011-12-30</h3>
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<blockquote>
<p>I just spent three days trying out Xah Lee's ErgoEmacs – ergonomic
Emacs keybindings – and I've been impressed.
</p>
</blockquote>
<p>
<a href="http://jpace.wordpress.com/tag/ergoemacs/">ErgoEmacs keybinding review</a>
</p></div>
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<h3 id="sec-6">Joseph Buchignani – 2011-11-21</h3>
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<blockquote>
<p>Xah Lee's Ergoemacs is five different kinds of awesome.
</p>
</blockquote>
<p>
<a href="http://www.cyborganize.org/clarity/software/emacs-org-mode-installation-configuration-and-tutorial/installing-and-using-ergoemacs-for-intermediate-emacs-users/">Installing and using Ergoemacs</a>
</p>
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<h3 id="sec-7">Don Womick – 2010-08-17</h3>
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<blockquote>
<p>From: Don Womick
Subject: [Orgmode] ErgoEmacs
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 09:07:58 -0400
I've just found ErgoEmacs (<a href="http://ergoemacs.org">http://ergoemacs.org</a>), another Emacs distribution for Windows that tries to make Emacs easy to use for ordinary users… and it does so: I was able to use it immediately, with all the standard Windows shortcuts–the only things that tripped me up briefly were the file commands (C-xf moved to C-o and C-xw moved to C-w), and that they moved M-x to M-a (M-x now cuts the entire line). This looks like a distro that might ease the learning curve enough to drive more widespread adoption of Emacs (and org-mode!): it really does seem to be as easy to use as Notepad right out of the box, yet doesn't take away any of the power of Emacs (as far as I can tell, except that I did have to load an org-mode file before capture would work, but that may be a setup problem on my part). If you're on Windows, take a look and see what you think… and for org newbies on win32, I think this is the version I would recommend.
</p>
<p>
–Don
</p>
<p>
lists.gnu.org emacs-orgmode
</p>
</blockquote>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.womick.com/Home.html">Don's website</a>
</li>
<li><a href="http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2010-08/msg00566.html">Original Message</a>
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<h3 id="sec-8">Kristian Hellquist – 2010-07-19</h3>
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<blockquote>
<p>I started using ergoemacs last week, and it looks promising. It lacked
a swedish keyboard layout though
</p>
<p>
Thanks for your great blog, work and opinions about emacs.
</p>
<p>
/Kristian Hellquist
</p>
</blockquote>
<p>
Thanks to <a href="https://twitter.com/meeiw">Kristian Hellquist</a> for contributing a Swedish layout. It's
in ErgoEmacs Keybinding v5.3.4.
</p>
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<h3 id="sec-9">jeangjs.blogspot.com – 2010-06-09</h3>
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<blockquote>
<p>2009年11月4日星期三
</p>
<p>
ErgoEmacs 初探
</p>
<p>
一直以來，我都是從 Xah's Emacs Tutorial 獲得一些 Emacs 使用上的小技巧。前幾天突然發現 Xah Lee 弄了一個專案 — ErgoEmacs。一個很有趣的專案，同時也是破壞 Emacs 傳統的專案。
</p>
<p>
Emacs 專屬的 keybindings 可以說是一項足以自豪的傳統。對於那些不使用滑鼠的高手來說，keybindings 一定背的滾瓜瀾熟。但非人使用 Emacs 超過十年了，熟悉的 keybindings 不會多過 10 個。並不是非人不想背下來，而是太複雜了，今天背了明天就忘了。再加上非人非常地依賴滑鼠，所以總是記不了幾個 keybindings。而 ErgoEmacs 這個專案主要就是在改變 keybindings，讓 Emacs 更能符合現代使用電腦的習慣。這個套件可以從這裡下載。
</p>
<p>
jeangjs.blogspot.com 非人的筆記本
</p>
</blockquote>
<p>
<a href="http://jeangjs.blogspot.com/2009/11/ergoemacs.html">Source</a>
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<h3 id="sec-10">Chow at Stack Overflow – 2010-06-04</h3>
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<blockquote>
<p>I totally agree with the remap caps-lock solution, that helps quite a
bit. To go even further, I tried and liked the Ergoemacs
keybindings. The project is being actively developed, and supported
quite well. I personally don't use it because it's not integrated with
Mac OS X (some EMACS Keys are integrated in Cocoa), though it seems
someone has posted an inputrc file with Ergoemacs keybindings. Another
trick I've been playing with is enabling StickyKeys. It's supported on
many platforms and alleviates some of the problems specific to
chording (as opposed to just overuse): it is apparently recommended on
the emacswiki: <a href="http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/StickyModifiers">http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/StickyModifiers</a>
</p>
</blockquote>
<p>
<a href="http://stackoverflow.com/questions/52492/what-is-the-best-way-to-avoid-getting-emacs-pinky/2976688#2976688">Source</a>
</p></div>
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<h3 id="sec-11">jroes – 2010-05-24</h3>
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<blockquote>
<p>I used to do the same thing, but I missed out on a lot
of good emacs shortcuts. Today I use the dvorak version of Xah Lee's
layout. You get vim-like navigation by holding Meta.
</p>
</blockquote>
<p>
— <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1374916">jroes Source news.ycombinator.com</a>
</p>
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<h3 id="sec-12">laurus – 2009-08-19</h3>
<div class="outline-text-3" id="text-12">
<blockquote>
<p>(9:06:35 AM) laurus: Hello! I just wanted to let you know that I
recently installed your Ergoemacs and I'm enjoying it very much.
</p>
</blockquote>
</div>
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<h3 id="sec-13">fadec – 2009-08-05</h3>
<div class="outline-text-3" id="text-13">
<blockquote>
<p>fadec: I had customized my keybindings but someone
suggested I try Ergoemacs a few weeks ago. Forget vim - ergoemacs is
how it's done.
</p>
</blockquote>
<p>
<a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/957rp/vimacs_vim_emulating_emacs/">reddit.com</a>
</p>
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<h3 id="sec-14">Ghoul – 2009-01-26</h3>
<div class="outline-text-3" id="text-14">
<p>freenode irc chat:
</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Ghoul``: xah<sub>lee</sub>: i appreciate the ergonomic emacs shortcuts
especially M-x being M-a right now ☺ however only one thing is
weird.. the M-; for searching (M-s in dvorak) but if i want to go to
the next entry i press C-s and not M-; again; that's like the only
tiny thing; otherwise i really like and use all the other shortcuts;
really good stuff!
</p>
</blockquote>
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<h3 id="sec-15">ginstre –2009-01-25</h3>
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<p>freenode irc chat:
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<p>ginstre: i'm an avid user of your ergonomic keybindings. one small
suggestion: the isearch-mode-map bindings should be copied to the
minibuffer-local-isearch-map. otherwise one can't resume an isearch
that has been modified (⁖ by M-n, M-p or isearch-edit-string).
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<h3 id="sec-16">w k – 2008-12-27</h3>
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<p>From w k
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<p>你好，偶然访问李杀网，从你的网站发现非常有价值的emacs教程。尤其关于人体工程力学的键位设置及键盘推荐，更是出类拔萃，对于像我这样的emacs新手具有非常大的帮助，我已经完全按照你的建议来做。
</p>
<p>
教程需然全部都是英文书写，但是语法简单、文笔流畅，像我这样纯粹的中国人都可以轻松阅读。
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<h3 id="sec-17">Will Parsons – 2008-09-03</h3>
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<p>From: Will Parsons
Date: 3 Sep 2008 00:21:16 GMT
Subject: Re: ergonomic keybinding. Need qwerty testers.
</p>
<p>
Some comments:
</p>
<p>
I've been giving your keyboard mapping a try and generally like it. In
particular, I like the cut/paste series (M-x, M-c, M-v) and the
window-splitting series (M-0, M-1, M-2). I do regret, however, that
the M-c binding does conflict with the default capitalize-word
binding, as I use the capitalization functions bound by default to
M-c, M-u, and M-l pretty frequently. At the moment, I've configured a
"windows" key to be Hyper and bound the capitalization functions to
H-c, H-u, and H-l, so I'll see how that works out.
</p>
<p>
(I've noticed a slight anomaly - since M-x is bound to kill-region,
M-a is used for execute-extended-command, but when one hits M-a, one
is still presented with a prompt "M-x ".)
</p>
<p>
As far as the cursor movement bindings, the single character movement
bindings seem natural enough, but I suspect I'll prefer to continue to
use arrow keys. I'll have to give the other movement bindings more of
trial before making a final judgement, though the combinations
involving M+S (Alt+Shift) seem a little awkward to me.
</p>
<p>
I've bound M-g to goto-line for some time now, and am happy with the
standard C-k for kill-line, so prefer not to rebind M-g.
</p>
<p>
Similarly, I've bound M-p to ps-print-buffer, and since I don't use
the recenter function too often, am happy to stick with C-l for it.
</p>
<p>
I found the binding of M-d to delete-backward-char somewhat
disconcerting, because even though I've bound C-delete to kill-word,
I'm still acustomed to having M-d perform the same function in other
contexts (⁖, in Bash).
</p>
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<p>
From <a href="https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/gnu.emacs.help/E2mxoz1EPeg">gnu.emacs.help</a> newsgroup.
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<h3 id="sec-18">Jerome Alet – 2008-08-29</h3>
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<p>Hello,
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<p>
I've just read your rant about Emacs key bindings and other historical "features".
</p>
<p>
I simply wanted to thank you for this : now I know I'm not alone thinking about this sort of things. Although I didn't had your historical knowledge about Emacs, these key bindings and features are what has always turned me away from Emacs, and why I coded my own text editor 14 years ago (Jered, available from <a href="http://www.librelogiciel.com/">http://www.librelogiciel.com/</a> )
</p>
<p>
So, again : THANKS A LOT !
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bye
</p>
<p>
Jerome Alet
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<h3 id="sec-19">Markus Grunwald – 2008-07-28</h3>
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<p>a few weeks ago I saw your page with ergonomic keybindings for
emacs. Since I did not like the original bindings very much and was on
the way to an "emacs pinky" I tried your keybindings - they are great
☺
</p>
<p>
Pain decays slowly and the new bindings are going into muscle memory
quickly. Of cource, I made a few changes according to my special
needs.
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Thank you VERY much!
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<p>
Markus Grunwald
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<h3 id="sec-20">boskom –2008-05-02</h3>
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<p>
I have used your ergonomic<sub>keybinding</sub><sub>querty</sub>.el a bit. It is
interesting, it looks like it is the right way to go. Solution is
elegant and does not interfere with or disable common shortcuts. There
are two small issues I encountered: The first is that if CUA is
enabled in emacs 22 moving around with page up/down (M-Shift-i and M-
Shift-k) sets mark and starts selecting a region. The other issue is
that on Windows pressing righ-alt + right-shift sometimes changes
Windows keyboard layout.
</p>
<p>
The main issue for me still remains position of Control keys, but this
needs to be addressed by a keyboard manufacturer.
</p>
<p>
Thanks,
</p>
<p>
boskom
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<p>
<a href="https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/gnu.emacs.help/E2mxoz1EPeg">gnu.emacs.help</a> newsgroup, 2008-04-30.
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<h3 id="sec-21">2008-05-02</h3>
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<p>Pretty impressive.
</p>
<p>
Do you have the frequency of the C-x prefix ? I use it pretty often,
just wondering what's his rating. I definitively want to try your
layout. Two remarks though. C-h = delete-backward-char is mandatory
for me.
</p>
<p>
Too many applications use it that way. And the h key is a perfect spot
on the Dvorak keyboard.
</p>
<p>
Also, C-t, M-t and M-c on a Dvorak keyboard definitely deserve better
shortcuts than the default ones.
</p>
<p>
I am currently using C-t as the C-x prefix and M-t as M-x.
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<h3 id="sec-22">Sergio – 2007-09-12</h3>
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<p>Sergio // Sep 12, 2007 at 12:06 pm
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<p>
That's nice, but the best thing about that website is the ‘ergonomic
keybord layout’ that uses completely new bindings that are way more
comfortable.
</p>
<p>
I know that for long-time emacs users a new layout is perhaps not
something attractive, but for me, being new to emacs, a more modern
and ergonomic layout is just what I needed to get up to speed.
</p>
<p>
They even have a Dvorak version. Great resource, thanks, I had been
looking for this kind of info about how to make it easier to use emacs
for a while.
</p>
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<a href="http://emacsblog.org/2007/08/27/newbie-tip-visual-emacs-keybinding-cheatsheet/#comments">emacsblog.org</a>
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