Add Surety (Catamaran Hebrew Fork)

[6775060]

Font Project Git Repo URL:
https://github.com/6775060/Catamaran-Tamil.git
New Repo: https://github.com/6775060/Surety

Current version:
Version 1.1

New available version:
Catamaran - Version 3.0

Super short description of the upgrade:
The new version includes
Adding the required characters to the Hebrew language
Includes scoring, careful spacing

Special additions:
zero slash, alternate percent sign (set 3)
square quotes (set 4)
Kerning improvements in Latin
Catamaran_Family_Web.zip

property:
Creation of all Hebrew letters
and coin ligature
Score is programmed in Hebrew
Strict kerning for Hebrew
New bindings in shekel (league), and binding "Alf" + "Learn" (in the league)
and adding SmallCapitals to the quotation marks, an alternative to the percent symbol
Catamaran_Family_Print.zip
Specimen_Catamaran FS.pdf

[RosaWagner]

Hi @6775060, thanks for this contribution. Could you eventually propose the update to Pria by making a PR to the main repository?

[6775060]

Looking into how to do this, thanks for the quick reply!

[6775060]

I would love to receive a link to the tutorial to create the above, I couldn't find where

[RosaWagner]

You can find more info there: https://docs.github.com/en/pull-requests/collaborating-with-pull-requests/proposing-changes-to-your-work-with-pull-requests/creating-a-pull-request

But it looks like you already made a PR: VanillaandCream/Catamaran-Tamil#32

@VanillaandCream What do you think of the quality of the additional Hebrew? Would you like to merge the sources together so we update Catamaran with it, or would you rather have a Latin-Hebrew subset created and onboarded under another name?

[VanillaandCream]

Rosalie, I have no way of judging the Hebrew, it is a self initiated project. I would not merge.

[6775060]

Hebrew was developed with extreme rigor, from a deep familiarity with the culture of the Hebrew language, both as a mother tongue, and from extensive experience in the creation of traditional types and research of ancient scriptures in Jewish culture.

[6775060]

I chose the catamaran project from among the multitude of projects that appear on Google Font, this is because I found it to be a typical typeface that can be perceived excellently on the Hebrew skeleton, my challenge was to create the conversion out of loyalty to the original, to create a uniform font that functions with Latin at the highest level.

[6775060]

I shared the project with a colleague (the typographer - Ben Natan) who designed the popular Assistant project, you can contact him directly to inquire about the quality of Hebrew typography (:
https://fonts.google.com/?query=Ben+Nathan

[6775060]

And of course the best way to influence and get great exposure for this product is in Israel, precisely together with the fusion of Hebrew together with Latin will also give great value to interface designers, website builders, and most importantly to provide typographic aesthetics in the online space, but I will respect any decision!

[VanillaandCream]

Genre is off, the Hebrew doesn’t have any humanist flair. Proportions also don’t look okay. Surely, Shuki can fork and publish under a different name.

[RosaWagner]

Thanks for your answer @VanillaandCream.

@6775060 if the project is accepted, we would onboard it under another name then :) We'll reach out to you when somebody gets assigned to review the submission, it can take some time so no need to insist on this thread.

[6775060]

I understand, will this include the Hebrew language only?

[RosaWagner]

It will be Latin + Hebrew :)

[6775060]

OK! Waiting for instructions

[davelab6]

@6775060 we are assigning @eliheuer to this project, he will be in touch (I guess towards the end of this month) with more details. Thanks for your patience :)

[6775060]

Thanks Dave, glad to hear it's progressing

[6775060]

Can I promote something?

[RosaWagner]

@6775060 if the question is "can I tell the world my font is gonna be on Google Fonts", I would advise not to promote. It won't be onboarded before several month, pending the onboarder's review. According to priorities it can also take years.

[6775060]

• I improved all the contours and created a conversion to CFF Cubic lines
• I've sorted problems with outline direction in the character rule
• Another review and improvements in conjunctions in organized work

[6775060]

I just received Font Creator 15 in its beta version, it allows for more productive work. These are some of the improvements Irwin reported:

• Improved shaping engine
• Elements -> supports outlines with both components and contours, so
  called hybrid outlines
• Improved optimize contour feature
• Improved join (union, intersection, exclusion, and also cut/knife)
  contours feature, it now even supports cubic curves.
• Fixed remove overlap issue
• Support for the GlyphsApp .glyphs file format
• Improved support for UFO and DesignSpaces
• Numerous other bug fixes
• Several other minor improvements and some speed gains.
• Redesigned Transform panel

[eliheuer]

@6775060 Sounds good, I'm doing the same work as you in my fork, can you link to your new source files so I can see and use your new work? I don't see anything new in your Git Repository.

This is my fork: https://github.com/eliheuer/Surety

You can follow what I am doing in my commits: https://github.com/eliheuer/Surety/commits/main

If you look in the Actions tab you can see my builds passing (this is good and what you want): https://github.com/eliheuer/Surety/actions

And if you click on specific builds, you can download fonts and proofs: https://github.com/eliheuer/Surety/actions/runs/5516784048

And from there you can click on "build" and get a QA report: https://github.com/eliheuer/Surety/actions/runs/5516784048/jobs/10058555306#step:11:15

[eliheuer]

@6775060 If Font Creator has support for the .glyphs format now, could we consider using that for this project?

If you look at my fork, I'm using .glyphs to do the work, and was planning on converting that to designspace & UFO when done, but using .glyphs would be easier.

[6775060]

Surety.zip
I think so - I have attached a glyphs format for you

[6775060]

Update if it's okay, I couldn't figure out where to upload it with me, is there an edition published? or in the deleted sources folder (and I can't recover)

[eliheuer]

@6775060 You can add a new sources folder, if you look at my fork I have added one: https://github.com/eliheuer/Surety

If and when I make a pull request back to you, a new sources folder will be added.

[eliheuer]

@6775060 the .glyphs file from the latest .zip has issues when opened with Glyphs 3.2:

[6775060]

Check here on their forum https://forum.high-logic.com/viewtopic.php?p=48886#p48886

[6775060]

He writes that there is some problem they are trying to find solutions for
Is it tracking us? Or I'll send you UFO files
You can follow the link: https://forum.high-logic.com/viewtopic.php?p=48892#p48892

[eliheuer]

If you want to post updated UFO files here that would be great. As I said before I have a fork here I am working on and I could not not open your .glyphs file. My fork is using the last UFO files you posted, which have a LOT of technical issues and are difficult to work with.

[6775060]

UPO.zip
I invite you to examine these and update me with the problems fixed
I passed glyph glyph

[6775060]

I saw that you are removing the timil, if there is a possibility that it will remain, that would be wonderful, I treated selectively there, for your consideration

[6775060]

A side question, is it possible to contribute content and knowledge about Hebrew typography to the Google Font knowledge base

[eliheuer]

I saw that you are removing the timil, if there is a possibility that it will remain, that would be wonderful, I treated selectively there, for your consideration

It is a possibility, but the source files are difficult to work with and getting the Hebrew and Latin ready to onboard is the first priority.

A side question, is it possible to contribute content and knowledge about Hebrew typography to the Google Font knowledge base

https://fonts.google.com/knowledge is much more selective and curated than https://fonts.google.com/. It's not impossible, you could try, but it would most likely get rejected if you aren't a known and respected personality in the font industry.

Do you have a blog where you publish content like this? I would start there and build an audience that way.

Most major social media platforms have type design related content, you could start a blog and post on https://typo.social/, Twitter, Instagram, etc.

Here is an issue you could try working on if you want, but you would probably need Glyphs-App and would need to learn how to use to command line and read the docs: googlefonts/glyphsets#115

[6775060]

Today I have a quality newsletter community of about 1700 senior designers.
I write content for them, in addition I write in forums that vary valuable content about Hebrew typography.

I thought I would contribute a valuable article in a field in which I have significant experience
Anatomy of the writings of a calligraphic Jewish Sefer Torah in the approaches of diverse testimonies

[6775060]

I can't enjoy Glyphs because I use windows
I couldn't figure out how to add the GF Glyphsets
Is this something that is possible in my font editor, or as part of the UPO system

[davelab6]

@6775060 thanks for your efforts on this. However, this issue tracker is really for tracking the onboarding, not actual font development. Please could you and @eliheuer shift this discussion to your upstream repo, and I'll tag this as "upstream is working on it" and @eliheuer can get back to us on this issue when its ready to remove that tag and move forwards.

The folks like @eliheuer that I commission to onboard projects are rarely getting into upstream project development, and I am concerned @eliheuer is going above and beyond - which is good in small amounts - but here is becoming unsustainable :)

[6775060]

@eliheuer professional and patient!
I'm trying to learn this way of working
At the same time as independent projects
And I'll try to see if I can fit in

[eliheuer]

@6775060 Like Dave said this project is becoming too much work and you are going to need to do more of the work to move it forward. I'll give you everything you need to make progress below.

As you know, I have a fork of your project here: https://github.com/eliheuer/Surety

Please look at the source file I have set up and consider using it as a starting point, I have saved it in the UFO/designspace format so you can use it here: https://github.com/eliheuer/Surety/blob/main/sources/Surety.designspace

I think it would be helpful for you to look at what a properly set up Hebrew project looks like, so I have saved the source files for the typeface Rubik here for you to look at and learn from: https://github.com/eliheuer/Surety/blob/main/sources/Rubik.designspace

The best way for you to move forward is to review the Rubik source files, read the documentation for Google Fonts, and read the documentation for GitHub.

Thanks for your patience and please try to ask development questions in the issues section of your repository: https://github.com/6775060/Surety/issues

[6775060]

Surety.zip
Hi, Erwin from Font Creator has released an upgraded version following the fix for the problem with Glyphs.
Attaching a recent glyphs file, does it solve the problem that was there?

[6775060]

What is the status of the project?
How can we promote?