A better error message for when an STD is not found would be helpful

[paulehoffman]

Description

Making a guess about which xi:include to use for an STD:
https://bib.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.STD.0069.xml
This leads to an error:
Error resolving bibliographic item. Tried methods: auto (RfcAdapter: no refs found): not found (Item not found), fallback (): not indexed
A better error message would be:
That item is not available here. If you are looking for STDs, instead try "bibxml9" instead of "bibxml"

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[kesara]

Label (bibxml-rfcsubseries) is preferred instead of bibxml9.

[rjsparks]

But Paul's point still stands.

[paulehoffman]

Just to check: is bibxml-rfcsubseries the long-term solution for RFCs, STDs, and drafts? It appears to work today, but I have not seen this before.

[rjsparks]

it's been there for a very long time (as bibxml9).
It can be considered long-term.

[paulehoffman]

I was working from https://authors.ietf.org/en/references-in-rfcxml, which should probably be updated.

In addition, maybe the xml2rfc tool can make this as a suggestion when parsing.

[TonyLHansen]

The old web page for xml2rfc documented the bibxml-name equivalents for all of the bibxml-# names that have been around for at least 10 years. All of the bibxml-# for # > ~4 were added first as bibxml-name and then a # equivalent assigned.

[paulehoffman]

So, now I'm very confused with this thread. If I read correctly, @rjsparks said above that bibxml-rfcsubseries should work for everything, but

https://bib.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml-rfcsubseries/reference.RFC.9460.xml

in the browser returns

{"error": {"message": "Error resolving bibliographic item. Tried methods: auto (RfcSubseriesAdapter: ): uncategorized issue, fallback (): not indexed"}}

Noting that this might be related to us getting "Submission rejected: A system error occurred while processing the submission." when trying to submit the -00 for this draft, even though xml2rfc 3.19.0 on the local laptop has no problem creating a good HTML output.

[paulehoffman]

After offline converstation with Robert, I now understand the three targets for the URLs. The "let's have a better error message" suggestion still stands, but now it applies to bibxml, bibxml-ids, and bibxml-subseries.

[rjsparks]

Just in case others read this, the right target for the subseries is bibxml-rfcsubseries.
For example:
https://bib.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml-rfcsubseries/reference.STD.0069.xml

[paulehoffman]

And for drafts, the right target is bibxml-ids. For example https://bib.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml-ids/reference.I-D.dnsop-deleg.xml

[TonyLHansen]

bibxml-rfcsubseries, bibxml-ids, bibxml-misc, bibxml-w3c, bibxml-ieee, bibxml-3gpp, bibxml-nist, bibxml-iana, bibxml-doi

see the complete list in #7