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Road Safety in MDS - Crashes and Incidents
Conversation about the art of the possible around safety, crashes, and incident information with shared vehicles in the public right of way. Use cases, needs, who is having these discussions now, who needs this data? What level of detail, timeliness, and accuracy is needed? What are the higher level data needs around safety for Vision Zero programs? Who will be champions for this, leaders on the discussion, and drive the work?
- Intro and announcements (5 min)
- Road Safety in MDS - Crashes and Incidents
- Safety Data for Shared Vehicles (10 mins)
- Crash/Incidents in MDS #613 (5 mins) - Michael Schnuerle, OMF
- Targeted discussion and questions (40 min)
WGSC Meeting Organizers
- Host: Pierre Bouffort, Blue Systems
- Facilitator: Michael Schnuerle, OMF
- Preparation: Michael Schnuerle, OMF
- Outreach: Michael Schnuerle, OMF
- Note taker: Michael Schnuerle, OMF
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- 63 Attendees
- OMF Slides
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Recording - Password
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00:02:59 Tim Adams: Tim Adams - HAAS Alert 00:03:14 Jeremy (HAAS Alert): Jeremy Agulnek - HAAS Alert 00:03:41 Nat Gale | INRIX: Nat Gale - INRIX Head of Product for Safety and Traffic 00:03:43 Michael Schnuerle (OMF): Michael Schnuerle, Open Mobility Foundation, organizer of this meeting on behalf of our MDS steering committee 00:04:04 Jesse Mintz-Roth - Vision Zero San Jose: Jesse Mintz-Roth - San Jose Vision Zero 00:04:07 Christopher Rider LADOT: Chris Rider, LADOT 00:04:23 Tina Williams ITS America: Tina Williams, ITS America 00:04:25 Marco Gorini: Marco Gorini, Philadelphia Vision Zero 00:05:11 Uyen [win] Ngo (SFMTA) | she/her: Morning all. Uyen Ngo from SFMTA 00:05:30 Crystal Killian: Crystal Killian, LADOT 00:05:46 Raquel Corchado: Raquel Corchado, CDOT 00:05:50 Vladimir Gallegos LADOT:: Vladimir Gallegos LADOT: Commercial Ride Share & Mobility (CRM). 00:05:58 Ted Randell: Ted Randell, District Department of Transportation 00:06:16 Fielding Hong, NACTO (he): Fielding Hong, NACTO 00:06:18 Michael Lawrence Evans: Michael Lawrence Evans, Office of Emerging Technology at the City of Boston 00:06:58 Angela Giacchetti (OMF): https://www.openmobilityfoundation.org/omf-summit-2024/ 00:07:37 Raquel Corchado: Is some of the summit virtual or are we able to attend some of the talks virtually? Thanks! 00:09:40 Angela Giacchetti (OMF): It’s a fully in-person event. We do make recordings of the sessions available post-event but it’s designed to be experienced live 🙂 00:11:29 Raquel Corchado: Thanks! 00:12:55 Andrew Glass Hastings (OMF): Hi all - great to see so many new folks joining us from Vision Zero and traffic safety programs. It is great to have you! If you leave the call today wanting to know more or wanting to further engage please don’t hesitate to be in contact. Your participation is key to making MDS a more valuable tool for information sharing about crashes and incidents! 00:15:45 Andrew Glass Hastings (OMF): Replying to "It’s a fully in-pers..." It will be a great event that brings our community together! If you are in or can get to LA the Summit (as well as CoMotion immediately following) is free to attend for OMF member city staff (and OMF commercial member teams)! 00:21:30 Michael Schnuerle (OMF): The 2021 issue of crash data in MDS, that now has grown to more incidents and more modes as part of this larger discussion from MDS 2.1. https://github.com/openmobilityfoundation/mobility-data-specification/issues/613 00:30:21 Jesse Mintz-Roth - Vision Zero San Jose: Could vehicle body type be broken down to weight, height, length? 00:31:46 Christopher Rider LADOT: I'd like to see an industry standard set for levels of Hard Braking and Hard Acceleration. So far various companies/platforms have different definitions. 00:32:37 Mollie D'Agostino: Will these slides be posted? 00:33:14 Nat Gale | INRIX: Couldn't agree more, Chris! There is some research on what the thresholds are, but this schema would be a good place to establish accepted minimums 00:33:34 Brooks Jessup: Nat - is that near miss data from GM available to cities? 00:34:45 Mitch Vars | OMF: Replying to "Will these slides be..." Slides are on the agenda page here: https://github.com/openmobilityfoundation/mobility-data-specification/wiki/Web-conference-notes,-2024.09.26-(MDS-Working-Group) 00:34:48 Nat Gale | INRIX: Hey Brooks! Yes - cities are the main users of Safety View. Feel free to reach out to me at [email protected] and we can chat more 00:36:38 Gene Leynes: Although the history is a critical use case, real time is also valuable. We integrate several data sources into our situational awareness platform, which has controlled access. 00:36:48 Alex Pazuchanics (Vianova): Re: harsh braking, definitely agree. We see certain OEMs report harsh braking based on actual braking pressure, but we also use a deacceleration rate from FHWA 00:36:52 Uyen [win] Ngo (SFMTA Vision Zero) | she/her: real-time use case: for rapid response/engineering recs for fatalities or newly installed project compliance (turn calming, no turn on red signs, etc) 00:36:54 Michael Schnuerle (OMF): Replying to "Will these slides be..."
We will incorporate the Vianova and INRIX slides into these OMF slides in the final version emailed out too. 00:38:32 Alex Pazuchanics (Vianova): Replying to "real-time use case..."
in london, we use the data from changes in speed and braking to evaluate the effectiveness of the speed reduction programs- when compared to collision data, it's generated much more actionable feedback faster 00:39:01 Marco Gorini: Replying to "real-time use case: ..."
agree with these. also for community engagement to be aware of what has occurred there most recently (mostly around fatalities or severe crashes) 00:40:32 Uyen [win] Ngo (SFMTA Vision Zero) | she/her: granular data use case for similar reasons: for proactive/reactive engineering treatments in response to fatal/severe crashes (e.g. is it the northbound or eastbound direction at this intersection that is problematic? are we seeing more close contacts at this intersection at this time of day/school pick up etc.) 00:40:33 Becky Edmonds: Another thought re: investigations - we do have a team that investigates fatalities, but one concern around getting even more incident data is frankly not currently having enough staff to actually be able to thoroughly investigate each one 00:40:47 Becky Edmonds: (also sorry for not raising my hand, I couldn't figure out where the button was??? but now I know. thanks all.) 00:41:24 Aylene McCallum (OMF): Replying to "Another thought re: ..."
Perhaps with more easily accessed data, you could use that as part of the justification for more staff to support investigation 00:41:26 Alyssa Pichardo (City of Portland Bureau of Transportation): Location-based need: From a Vision Zero program perspective in a city with limited resources (Portland) our biggest issue is that we have a large data gap. In the case of Portland only Police-investigated crashes have detailed reports, they're shared to the State DOT. But the vast majority of crash reports are self-reported on a standard form to DMV. Neither is digital and need to be digitized by state DOT staff. While there is a delay in data (18 months) just having the location-based information is most important. Particularly for bike/ped. Knowing where bike and pedestrian crashes happened is the largest gap because minor crashes aren't often reported. The Oregon process isn't set up for self-reported crashes by pedestrians or people biking. It's on the driver to report. We're seeing a lot of ped / bike crash underreporting when comparing to hospital records from the county health dept. Health department can't share location because of HIPAA. 00:43:39 Aylene McCallum (OMF): Loving these comments and questions in the chat and in the meeting - please feel free to keep them coming! 00:43:45 Becky Edmonds: Replying to "Another thought re: ..."
Yeah, though I'd say we largely have some solid maps of places we know we need to make improvements on, and I think possibly the staffing need might be better used on engineers to redesign and crews to implement the improvements. 00:48:05 Julia Friedlander: What do you imagine would be the source of information about injuries and how would it be collected? 00:48:30 Becky Edmonds: Replying to "Location-based need:..."
Uff. That is tough. our police reports are at least available within a couple of months, but also find that they are sometimes hand written and inconsistent in how they describe especially newer modes of transport, generally need to be manually reviewed to determine more about what really happened. Also don't get many self-reported crashes for people walking and biking, and anecdotally have found that there are many reasons people don't want incidents reported. 00:50:20 Gene Leynes | Chciago | he/him: Our current crash data is organized in tables for crashes, people, and vehicles. This has been very helpful over the years because of the many to one relationships 00:51:02 Andrew Glass Hastings (OMF): Hi all - great discussion! Today the OMF launched a new individual membership program for consultants. Please see the link below if interested. And if not a consultant please do share with your networks. https://www.openmobilityfoundation.org/individual-membership-announcement/ 00:51:54 Gene Leynes | Chciago | he/him: Replying to "Our current crash da..."
I should add that even if it's redacted, its' useful. For example if minors were involved, if people were intoxicated, etc. 00:52:01 Vladimir Gallegos LADOT:: knowing if an incident was between different modes, or same modes, would be helpful. 00:52:04 Gene Leynes | Chciago | he/him: Replying to "Our current crash da..."
car seats... 00:52:17 Uyen [win] Ngo (SFMTA Vision Zero) | she/her: SF references to see what kind of info we collect for VZ fatals - our public fatality tracker: https://app.powerbigov.us/view?r=eyJrIjoiMGNmMDdmNmQtMTA1Ni00NTFmLWI5YmQtNzZiNDU0YWE4NmJmIiwidCI6IjIyZDVjMmNmLWNlM2UtNDQzZC05YTdmLWRmY2MwMjMxZjczZiJ9
Our VZ website where we publish monthly and annual fatality reports: https://www.visionzerosf.org/maps-data/ 00:53:37 Vladimir Gallegos LADOT:: we have had collisions between robots and Autonomous Vehicles. 00:54:03 Becky Edmonds: hand raising is now in the "react" menu! so confusing!!!! 00:54:26 Aylene McCallum (OMF): I'll also add that this is clearly very early in this conversation - please stay engaged as we continue to flesh this out. 00:55:53 Nat Gale | INRIX: Replying to "hand raising is now ..."
ack! thank you found it now! haha 00:56:23 Nat Gale | INRIX: +1 on the vulnerable road user data, definitely ped and bike identification is critical 00:57:13 Alyssa Pichardo (City of Portland Bureau of Transportation): Replying to "Location-based nee..."
We're running into an issue now that Tier 3 e-bikes are being classed as Motorcycles in crash data in Oregon per the standards set by ANSI D16-2017 definition 2.2.9. for any ebike that can reach 28 mph. That nuance of micromobility vehicles is going to be lost with this change. 01:01:52 Angela Giacchetti (OMF): Thanks for the great discussion! 01:01:55 Michael Schwartz (INRIX), he/him: Thanks! 01:01:57 Alyssa Pichardo (City of Portland Bureau of Transportation): Thanks!
