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Could some quotes from Hashicorp help? #165

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egeland opened this issue Aug 16, 2023 · 6 comments
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Could some quotes from Hashicorp help? #165

egeland opened this issue Aug 16, 2023 · 6 comments

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@egeland
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egeland commented Aug 16, 2023

They've made the video private, but there's a nice transcript of it here:
https://www.ignw.io/blog/2019/faq-hashicorp-open-source

"All the major projects that we have at HashiCorp are open source ..."

and

"... all major innovation in the infrastructure space has tended towards open source ..."

@coryodaniel
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Couldn’t agree more.

@tedivm
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tedivm commented Aug 16, 2023

They also lied in their CLA page.

https://web.archive.org/web/20230610041432/https://www.hashicorp.com/cla

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josh-padnick commented Aug 16, 2023

I am strongly against attempting to "shame" HashiCorp by dragging up past quotes or even specific sections of the CLA. Our goal is not to tear them down or make them look bad, but to advocate for our own need, which is to have a truly open source Terraform that is community-driven.

I have no doubt that HashiCorp had wrenching internal discussions lasting months or longer about how to meet their own need to become a thriving business. Let's face it; that's never easy to do, even when you're an open source leader. If any of us were in their situation, subject to their constraints, forced to deal with their needs, it's hard to know how we would respond.

So I'd much prefer that all our interactions in OpenTF be positive, and focused on our own needs, not on someone else's failings. Let's be the example project that people look up to.

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pdecat commented Aug 24, 2023

FWIW, https://cla.hashicorp.com/ still mentions:

The CLA ensures that all contributions to our open source projects are licensed under the project's respective open source license, such as MPL2.

@josipledic
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Stallman was right all along

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I am strongly against attempting to "shame" HashiCorp by dragging up past quotes or even specific sections of the CLA. Our goal is not to tear them down or make them look bad, but to advocate for our own need, which is to have a truly open source Terraform that is community-driven.

I have no doubt that HashiCorp had wrenching internal discussions lasting months or longer about how to meet their own need to become a thriving business. Let's face it; that's never easy to do, even when you're an open source leader. If any of us were in their situation, subject to their constraints, forced to deal with their needs, it's hard to know how we would respond.

So I'd much prefer that all our interactions in OpenTF be positive, and focused on our own needs, not on someone else's failings. Let's be the example project that people look up to.

But HashiCorp is evil and bad, we can't make them any more terrible than they already are.

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