[Draft] Storing groceries changes

[LeroyR]

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Example how to incorporate pouring in storing groceries.
IMHO Storing groceries is a more flexible task than Serving Breakfast and should be kept for stage 1.

This show some possible additions to make the task more interesting:

• Pouring Milk/Cornflakes into container
  • Containers are placed on the table.
    • Container could be inside cabinet so that the robot has to take them out first
• Grasping objects from a shopping bag
  • placed next to table.
    • Could also be on the table

[johaq]

I like this idea since it preserves two kinds of placing challenges, placing on a table AND placing inside a shelf. My questions is should we increase the time limit for this test? Potentially 7:30 instead of 5:00.

[hawkina]

Generally I like the changes and the combination.
One question: is the container for the cornflakes going to be transparent? If so, then it might add an additional difficulty for perception and we might consider rewarding it/ giving alternative options. Or just let people know in advance so that they know to train for transperency.

[hawkina]

I'd suggest to also give 70 points here since it is more difficult. It is comparable to picking up the tiny/heavy objects.

[LeroyR]

I would change the overall scores later. For now this is just to get the different score items into the rulebook

[hawkina]

what about cereal?

[LeroyR]

As this is a main goal the cereal should always be present

[hawkina]

I like this idea since it preserves two kinds of placing challenges, placing on a table AND placing inside a shelf. My questions is should we increase the time limit for this test? Potentially 7:30 instead of 5:00.

I would vote for increasing the time limit to 7:30 mins.

[LeroyR]

This is just a draft to show possible integrations. Details like scoring, container (where it is placed: inside cabinet so the robot has to take it out first or on the table) and time limit need further discussion.

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I like this idea since it preserves two kinds of placing challenges, placing on a table AND placing inside a shelf. My questions is should we increase the time limit for this test? Potentially 7:30 instead of 5:00.

I put it to 6:00 in the initial draft to accommodate pouring the cereals. Going up to 7:30 is also fine.

I'd also like to introduce either a bonus for the first item or a decreasing score for each additional item - f the robot stores two items it should be able to store more anyway with time being the limiting factor. The space inside the cabinet was not really limited (At least until we require storing items efficiently e.g. by stacking cans)

So my question is: Are 6 minutes not enough for a ~slow robot to get to the location, scan the shelf, pour cornflakes and store one item (add potentially opening the door as main goal). Faster robots can then store multiple objects to collect additional points.

Another open question: Do we still want this kind of opening the door?

[sunava]

Here's a rewritten version for the PR comment:

• Johannes: Suggests adding extra time since very few teams managed to pick up all 5 objects.
• Luis & Vanessa: Propose keeping the "storing groceries" task as it is, possibly adding time, and including the "pouring" task in Stage 2.
• Alina: Supports the idea but prefers to focus on keeping "pouring" included due to limited available time.
• Akinobu: Agrees with adding extra time and keeping "pouring" in Stage 2.

So, closing this for now.

[LeroyR]

There is still ongoing discussion in this DRAFT, i dont see rationale for closing (just rename to storing grocerie changes)

Summary until now:

• Multiple Suggestion to add extra time, even though we have a team finishing everything in 3 minutes
• No mention of opening door changes or using bag as bin picking
• Meeting Discussion: Dont do Pouring here, instead combine SB with cleanup

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