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[Feature] Cindarite Voc, a Cindarite language PR #5221

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@IrkallaEpsilon IrkallaEpsilon commented Apr 24, 2024

Works on local very well, see screenshot below.

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Every race currently has an own language, even minor races. Cindarites currently lack that. This PR attempts to fix that.

The idea or lore behind is can be described as follows (WIP):

Cindarites originate from Cindar, which basically boils down to a radioactive deathworld with violent sandstorms containing glass shards. This is definitely not a comfortable environment to be in. They are confined to bunkers for the most part. Communication both inside and outside of bunkers in such an environment is critical and requires a very clear linguistic pattern. The language itself is described as devoid of rhetorical devices such as metaphors, allegories and colorful comparisons. It is optimized for relaying of information here and now. To non-speakers it is a bunch of hisses and bellows, you know typical lizard stuff. Cindarites on Solarian vessels were allowed to keep this language as part of their identity as it seems to help them work far more efficient in their groups. Of course to maximize efficiency with communication and shorten time on talking Cindarites embed acronyms into their own language. This would be something wherein two bunkers, who haven't communicated before, have issues communicating with one another as used acronyms may differ greatly. Could be interesting to see that acted out IC.

Partial intelligibility to: Common, Jana, Eurolang, Jana. Reason being 1) CDB requested it and thinking about it this morning and it makes lots of sense since 2) import words are common IRL, especially if they convey concepts and information better than what the original word in a language did.

Translators work obviously as seen with synthetic units. Obviously need some input from lore guys. Also fixed a rogue empty line from the cheese language

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/860197732689903646/1232687601694146661/image.png?ex=662a5d4a&is=66290bca&hm=ddcd8709db94dd8b40c6a02b7425d1860a8dc92466ddf2fdff6e3555526e1a70&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1199&height=444

Chat color (Thanks to Trilby for that, very pleasant to the eye.)

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add: Cindarite Language, or Cindarite Voc as it currently is named. Be a Cindarite and pick it.
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@Trilbyspaceclone Trilbyspaceclone added the Balance Improves on fairness label Apr 24, 2024
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Pawoverlord commented Apr 24, 2024

This was brought to my attention (Everyone probably knows who), kinda neat. I think; and it logically makes sense that they would have their own language all things considering. I like this idea for the silly lizards. (This isn't me overriding by the way, this is me liking the idea and thinking it is a good idea.)

I was told that it might have implications with cliques, and while that IS a possibility; The same can be done with any language. The ones most common for that clique behavior being our Slavic languages. -- But I digress.

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Trilby's reason for denying this is bullshit, frankly. Not only have they not brought up how "unique" languages cause 'exclusion', they're bringing it up when we want to give the one of two species that don't have a language. So, either merge this one, or PR a removal of all unique languages. There is no lore preventing the cindarites from having their own language.

Nobody will want the removal of the other unique languages, it'll be unpopular, and people will lose a lot of flavor to their characters. So you might as well just merge this one and get it over with, because the alternative won't be popular.

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Trilby's reason for denying this is bullshit, frankly. Not only have they not brought up how "unique" languages cause 'exclusion', they're bringing it up when we want to give the one of two species that don't have a language. So, either merge this one, or PR a removal of all unique languages. There is no lore preventing the cindarites from having their own language.

Nobody will want the removal of the other unique languages, it'll be unpopular, and people will lose a lot of flavor to their characters. So you might as well just merge this one and get it over with, because the alternative won't be popular.

Challenge accepted.

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Nobody will want the removal of the other unique languages

Then don't suggest it In the first place. You are literally the only person saying that it should happen.

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SkinkHunt commented Apr 25, 2024

Nobody will want the removal of the other unique languages

Then don't suggest it In the first place. You are literally the only person saying that it should happen.

Trilby did suggest it in the discord convo, thats why I mentioned it here.

I quote Trilby "My stance is removing race langs"

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Nobody will want the removal of the other unique languages

Then don't suggest it In the first place. You are literally the only person saying that it should happen.

Trilby did suggest it in the discord convo, thats why I mentioned it here.

I quote Trilby "My stance is removing race langs"

If you played the game you would know the mass amounts of council votes that have been forcing people in departments to speak common. Blackshield is one that stands out and they are speaking interslavic.

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Sounds like an IC issue to me.

@Trilbyspaceclone Trilbyspaceclone added the Test Merged A RP that is test merged before added to the code itself label Apr 27, 2024
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@Trilbyspaceclone TM this for me pleeeeaaaaaase

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Thank u

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This language isn't restricted to Cindarites, anyone is currently able to learn it, is that intended?

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@SingingSpock Does it properly apply as a freebie to cindarites

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This language isn't restricted to Cindarites, anyone is currently able to learn it, is that intended?

Yes, as all other racial languages except opifex language can be learned RN by anyone (and Cthmant Hivemind Comms)

@SingingSpock Does it properly apply as a freebie to cindarites

It applies to Cindarites as any other racial language auto applies to to their respective race RN.

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Cthmant Hivemind Comms
Are you sure about that, that's a problem.

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IrkallaEpsilon commented May 2, 2024

Cthmant Hivemind Comms
Are you sure about that, that's a problem.

name = LANGUAGE_CHTMANT
desc = "The hivemind linking all cht'mants who share a common hive ancestry."
speech_verb = list("chitters")
ask_verb = list("clocks")
exclaim_verb = list("screes")
colour = "cult"
key = "o"
flags = RESTRICTED | HIVEMIND

Yeah pretty sure. Hivemind comms from Cthmant are Cthmant exclusive. MarQua language is MarQua exclusive too, assuming here its some biological limitation as decribed by the desc.

Other species like lets say Naramadi lack the restricted tag, presuming that they have been with SolFed for a long time.

@cdb-is-not-good cdb-is-not-good removed the Test Merged A RP that is test merged before added to the code itself label May 5, 2024
@cdb-is-not-good cdb-is-not-good merged commit fb8fe4e into sojourn-13:master May 5, 2024
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