Sep 23, 2024 ‐ 15:00 UTC

Host:

• Philipp Ahmann

Participants:

• Sebastian Hetze
• Daniel Weingaertner
• Gabriele Paoloni
• Alfred Strauch
• Steven Carbno

Regrets:

• Nicole Pappler
• Kate Stewart

Attended Recently

• Karen Bennet
• Walt Miner
• Axel
• Olivier Charrier
• Thomas Mittelstädt
• Andreas Bartelt
• Guy Lunardi
• Stewart Hildebrand

Topics & Notes:

Check past action items

• Previous meeting notes: https://github.com/elisa-tech/wg-systems/wiki/Sep-02,-2024-%E2%80%90-15:00-UTC

Project Proposal: Good Quality Practices in Open Source [cont.]

• Feedback from LF Europe Advisory Board Meeting
• Process rendering within Eclipse SDV Automotive Process SIG
• Text brought from gdoc to github wiki md file: https://github.com/elisa-tech/wg-systems/wiki/Software-Quality-Good-Practices-in-Open-Source-%E2%80%90-Proposal
• gdoc for further reference: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AR4JtW7tBtqUsWgtxANyGiexpLBywu7nPLlMm6RPzPI
• Philipp presented the idea at the Linux Foundation Advisory Board meeting.
  • Gabriele Columbro was positive on the proposal and wants to align with Kate on this.
  • OFE was also sending positive signs on the initiative.
  • Relation and overlap to CRA needs to be checked.
  • Potential to make this a project on its own, in case we do not meet deadline for EU submission
  • LF Europe announced that Zephyr project and yocto project will be assessed as example (PoC) to show what is needed to comply with CRA requirments.
• What is the clear role of the university?
  • For Dirk Dirk Riehle it could be interesting in case ROS2 is involved.
  • University work should focus more on literature work and comparison of techniques.
  • Safety experience and concrete SW systems engineering should come from companies.
    • Interesting parties: TÜV or exida. AlektoMetis already mentioned to participate.
    • Further industry support is needed here.
• First discussion with Michael Plagge from Eclipse during BitKom open source event
  • need follow up.
  • Automotive process SIG has a high overlap on what we want to achieve.
  • Proper further discussion with Sara Gallian, Dana Vede, and Ansgar Lindwedel.
• AI: Draw a picture which shows the interaction of all the initiatives currently around (CRA, Eclipse Automotive Process SIG, ELISA)
• AI: Draw a picture illustrating the project proposal in a graphical way.
• Involvement of DIN can also be interesting. Sebastian will take a first contact.
• Where whole things can lead to: https://github.com/elisa-tech/wg-systems/pull/16/files
• When ELISA started we tried to map part 6 to Linux Kernel, which was not really successful. We need to make sure that Automotive Process SIG at Eclipse will not run in the same issue.
  • You will not be able to certify a complex pre-existing software fully compliant to part 6.
  • Same is true for trying a full compliance to ASPICE (as the standard was not written for open source software)
  • You need by guided by objectives and not clause by clause of the standards.
• When showing that we want to be equivalent to a requirements driven process, without being a requirements driven process, the objectives need to be the same for both sides.
• Regarding the creation of documenting standards there is some semi-automated tooling activity inside Red Hat.
  • Railway standard is an example of these. This helps maybe also in transferring from one industry to another.
  • https://github.com/shetze/standards-atlas

Update of meta-elisa due to failing CI image check

• new docker container prepared
• SSTATE temporary mirror enabled for ricefish release
• intermediate step from needlefish to quillback may be useful as yocto version is the same.

ELISA WS at NASA (Washington DC area)

• Scheduled Dec 10 to 12th.
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goddard_Space_Flight_Center

AoB

• Meeting October 7th skipped. Meeting next week (September 30th) as normal.