2023 10 8

8th October Meeting

• Participants:
  • Furkan Akkurt (Turkish)
  • Bermet Chontaeva (Kyrgyz)
  • Soudabeh Eslami (Azerbaijani)
  • Omer Goldman
  • Gulnura Jumalieva (Kyrgyz)
  • Aida Kasieva (Kyrgyz)
  • Aslı Kuzgun (Turkish)
  • Büşra Marşan (Turkish)
  • Aydemir Shamsutdinov (Kumyk)
  • Jonathan Washington (Kyrgyz)
  • Çağrı Çöltekin (Turkish)
• Date: 8/10/2023 2 PM (UTC+3)
• Via: Zoom

Agenda

• Current status of translations

Discussion

• Soudabeh mentioned the sentence 16 (Ayşe bu kitabı okumuş değil.)
  • She translated using double negation: "oxumamış dǝyir".
  • We discussed the issue 11, also sentential negation and 'değil' in Azeri and Kyrgyz.
    • 'değil' negates the entire sentence in Turkish.
    • 'emes' is Kyrgyz's 'değil'.
• Jonathan mentioned the sentences 3 and 8.
• We discussed the sentence 20 regarding multiple TAM (i.e. tense, aspect and mood) markers.
• Aorist tense is not preferred in annotation.
• We talked about the abessive case ('-sız' in Turkish, meaning without)
• Double negation is not used in Kumyk.
• 'bilmiş ol' (know that) in the sentence 10 is a bit of imperative.
• We decided not to add the sentences 21A and 21B currently in the Kyrgyz translations, here; but still leave them as reference.
• We discussed LVC (i.e. light verb constructions) in UD, case in point being the Turkish-German code-switching treebank. Link from the UD docs.

Actions

• Change the sentence 16 (Ayşe bu kitabı okumuş değil.) to be "Ayşe bu kitabı okumamış değil.", #13
  • This matches the current Azeri translation in the PDF.
• Start annotating, #14
  • Ask UD about parallel treebanks of a rather small size (20 sentences in our case), #16
  • Turkish teams should annotate independently.
• Set a meeting 2 weeks or so from now to discuss the eventual annotations, #17
  • when2meet is deemed OK. Another one will be shared for the next meeting.