2023 9 23

23rd September Meeting

• Participants:
  • Furkan Akkurt (Turkish)
  • Aydemir Shamsutdinov (Kumyk)
  • Neslihan Cesur (Turkish)
  • Bermet Chontaeva (Kyrgyz)
  • Mehmet Oguz Derin (Old Turkish)
  • Soudabeh Eslami (South Azerbaijani)
  • Aslı Kuzgun (Turkish)
  • Büşra Marşan (Turkish)
  • Chihiro Taguchi (Tatar)
  • Jonathan Washington (Kyrgyz)
  • Olcay Taner Yıldız (Turkish)
  • Çağrı Çöltekin (Turkish)
  • Suzan Üsküdarlı (Turkish)
• Date: 23/9/2023 3 PM (UTC+3)
• Via: Zoom

Agenda

• Current status of translations
• Initial 20 Turkish sentences not covering every issue present in other Turkic languages
• Communication

Discussion

• Oguz showed his PR.
• We said "these initial 20 Turkish sentences are a work-in-progress."
  • We want to keep these sentences at the center and small in amount. If there are issues, please raise them.
    • These issues may be due to:
      • not being able to translate certain parts,
      • sentences not covering the range of issues within your Turkic language.
  • Sentences will have to be increased to cover new issues, raised by participants. Existent sentences can be changed if found necessary.
• Tatar translation document by Chihiro
• We’re more interested in morphosyntax, rather than fluent translations. (Çağrı)

Sentences

• (1) Bizimki yazlıktaki çocuk odasını apar topar derleyip toplamış, mutfağın masasını da elden çıkarmıştı.
  • Jonathan mentioned "we need context for translation." and "bizimki is weird."
  • Büşra offered to add this sentence "Eşim yazlıktaki çocuk odasının penceresini apar topar temizlemiş, mutfağınkini temizlememişti."
• (4) Ayşe bir doktor.
  • Copula cannot be split. Null elements are not allowed in UD.
• (8) Sude üç saattir ofiste yokmuş, Ayşe de evde değilmiş.
  • Jonathan: "saattir" usage not found in Kyrgyz.
• (14) Bugün mü yapılacak etkinlik?
  • mı question particle is always at the end in Kyrgyz. Intonation is used for emphasis. (Jonathan)
    • Southern Azerbaijani does away with the particle and uses intonation. (Soudabeh)
    • Intonation is used in Kumyk. (Aydemir)
  • Bügenme is one token in Tatar (Chihiro ; Bugün mü)
    • Jonathan in favor of splitting.
    • Splitting decisions will have to be discussed in the future.
• (16) Ayşe bu kitabı okumuş değil.
  • "değil" is not common in Southern Azerbaijani. (Soudabeh)
  • "değil" is sentential negation in Turkish. (Büşra)
  • It means "It's not the case that Ayşe read this book."
  • "Ayşe otobüsü benim yüzümden kaçırmış değil." 2 meanings:
    • She missed the bus, but not because of me.
    • She didn't miss the bus.
• Öğretmen kitabı okula alıp gitti. (extra ; Jonathan)
  • Kyrgyz: Muğalim kitepti mektepke alıp bardı.
  • Kyrgyz and Turkish have different meanings here.

Communication

• Universal Dependencies Matrix room: #_u-dep:matrix.org
• Mailing list is OK for general communication, it's archived and easy to follow.
• We would like to use GitHub Issues and Discussions for further specialized discussion (e.g. issues with a certain sentence).

Actions

• Document translation decisions
  • We need to document why we translated certain parts the way we did within a document. Wiki or the repository is useful for this.
• We will have another meeting in 2 weeks. Doodle will be shared by Büşra.
• Büşra requested "if possible, can translations have glossed pdf versions as well, for future reference?"